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  12-Dec-12, 04:33   #1
Poker hand In PokerStars 0 
matiih17 

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I was playing a tournament on PokerStars, my stack: 10,500 and 7-7 letters I enter in the location I'm UTG, the position of the villain is MP2 with a stack of: 25K ... Blinds 3000/6000, I pay the BB and the flop comes: 6 7 6, being very short stack I do is go all in, the villain pays me and shows me AT ... TURN: RIVER T and T.

My question is, bad move on my hand, or bad luck? I must have gone all in pre flop?

     
  12-Dec-12, 04:51   #2
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uhhcallmi 

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to make sure you extract value with your , at that moment top set,,,you should chose another

line of betting , but no mather the end result is ,you would loose that hand due too bad luck or variance ,how you wanna call it.



     
  12-Dec-12, 04:58   #3
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by matiih17:
I was playing a tournament on PokerStars, my stack: 10,500 and 7-7 letters I enter in the location I'm UTG, the position of the villain is MP2 with a stack of: 25K ... Blinds 3000/6000, I pay the BB and the flop comes: 6 7 6, being very short stack I do is go all in, the villain pays me and shows me AT ... TURN: RIVER T and T.

My question is, bad move on my hand, or bad luck? I must have gone all in pre flop?


two things

A) Obviously bad luck, you got your chips in ahead as a MASSIVE favourite, chances of him out-drawing you were slim-to-none, so obviously very unlucky

B) Yes obviously go allin - according to what you wrote you were down to <2BB why you would flat call / set mine for 1BB with <1bb left behind is just beyond ridiculous and makes no sense. With a very vulnerable hand like 77 last thing you want is multiple limpers pre flop, so obviously put your whole stack in next time.


Also: Why did you have <2BB ? I seriously hope its because you just lost a massive hand the previous hand, seriously- never EVER let your stack dwindle down to this level, it just kills your fold equity.

     
  12-Dec-12, 05:21   #4
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justblazed1 

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i would of waited till turn but still would have went all in there so bad luck yup Sad

     
  12-Dec-12, 07:37   #5
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shokaku 

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You had less than 2 BB when the hand started, so of cause this is an all-in preflop. At the flop it is a no brainer push, but of cause he had to call you with any two here.

     
  12-Dec-12, 11:07   #6
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remco2504 
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Yeah thats some bad bad luck...runner runner after hitting the 2nd nuts on the flop.

Still i agree i would never have let my stack go dont to less then 2 BB

Have you folded alot to get further into the money or just lost a big hand and left with 10 K chips ?

     
  12-Dec-12, 11:12   #7
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thefly131 
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Posted by remco2504:
Yeah thats some bad bad luck...runner runner after hitting the 2nd nuts on the flop.

Still i agree i would never have let my stack go dont to less then 2 BB

Have you folded alot to get further into the money or just lost a big hand and left with 10 K chips ?



Indead it was bad luck to loose that hand, but when your shortstack (less than 20 BB) you should play shove-fold and not only with monster hands.

Look at the tables whos raising a lot, when you have a monster hand reraise them to an allin.

When there s no raise in front of you and your in late position , go all in with any reasonable hand , mostly the SB and BB will fold.

     
  12-Dec-12, 11:47   #8
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pochui 

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wft are you even thinking with less than 2BB's- no you made a wrong move: you should have raised pre flop, if he reraises you- tthen you 3 bet him, after the flop do a check raise, and put magic words "fcuk off idiot" in the chat box to squeeze out extra profit...then reraise him a couple of times more to finallly go all in....wait a sec Question i forgot you only have <2BB's Big Smile

     
  12-Dec-12, 12:22   #9
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by pochui:
wft are you even thinking with less than 2BB's- no you made a wrong move: you should have raised pre flop, if he reraises you- tthen you 3 bet him, after the flop do a check raise, and put magic words "fcuk off idiot" in the chat box to squeeze out extra profit...then reraise him a couple of times more to finallly go all in....wait a sec Question i forgot you only have <2BB's Big Smile

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  12-Dec-12, 13:44   #10
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Fakiry 

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It was only bad luck, in my opinion. You were too short not to go all-in. Perhaps it would be even better if you had gone all-in pre-flop, but that can be questionable, considering the pair you’re holding (not 10’s or higher). I would if I were you. Your opponent didn’t put you on the hand you had, and he should have felt relief when he saw the turn and the river. Next time will be better.

     
  13-Dec-12, 02:38   #11
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matiih17 

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thanks all!!!

     
  13-Dec-12, 02:55   #12
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zeroster 

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If somehow I manage to be in the position of being UTG with less than 2bb I'm shoving with anything before the blinds hit me, even 7,2os.

In the unlikely event everyone folds to your shove you'll pick up the big and small blinds. If you wait until the next hand, when it's your big blind, the best you can do is pick up the small blind only.

     
  13-Dec-12, 03:33   #13
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uhhcallmi 

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correction on my side...with the blinds being 30006000 and you holding 10500chips

it's shove or fold.. you just lacked the needed luck to continue in that tourney.

Edited by uhhcallmi (Thursday, December 13, 2012 @ 03:40 GMT)


     
  13-Dec-12, 11:36   #14
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Weenie 
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ofcourse its badluck you had like 98%-99% chance to win that hand after flop..And in this case its not important how you played it cause he would call you preflop too so the result would be same always Smile But for future you should go all in preflop...

Something similar happened to me but not exactly same.. I flopped fullhouse too, but he has a pair on hand,and he made higher fullhouse on river Smile

     
  13-Dec-12, 23:15   #15
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cuirtom 

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is just bad luck...but in a situation where after the flop:
------you check,him maybe 60% check
------turn comes,you check/bet 1 BB,him just call
------after the river you check/all in(just in case he was tag player) him bet/call
......anyway my opinion:in tournamet that u really want to cash in just fold in that position cards like:
pair<JJ,aces with card<Q...on stars never know in what stupid hand are involved...
GL next time

     
  13-Dec-12, 23:39   #16
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by cuirtom:
......anyway my opinion:in tournamet that u really want to cash in just fold in that position cards like:
pair<JJ,aces with card<Q


Yeah, because with <2bb and UTG, you can afford to wait for something better like KK. Top advice.

     
  14-Dec-12, 08:17   #17
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pochui 

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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by cuirtom:
......anyway my opinion:in tournamet that u really want to cash in just fold in that position cards like:
pair<JJ,aces with card<Q


Yeah, because with <2bb and UTG, you can afford to wait for something better like KK. Top advice.

Big Smile Thumbs Up

     
  14-Dec-12, 12:55   #18
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qzmag 
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it's bad luck , even if you push all-in pre-flop , A T, he could call you 99% .... he called you on flop when he had nothing.... the thing is , he could lost a very short stacks ... so he just payd you, and the bad luck for you came on turn - river.

i've lost 2 times with 2 pairs, 66 , 99 against some1 with AK and A 6. Because those 2 times , camed like ....Flop - ( random card ) 8 8 / turn - 8 / River - 8 ..... what's are the odds for this .... ?

     
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