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You can only beat donkeys if you don't play like one. I don't want to offend anyone with this, just remember that old saying: in the land of blinds, that who has an eye is the king! We all know about donkey's luck, playing any two cards in any way, with a big lack of strategy. To defeat them, we just have to do our game the all way around. Not believing in luck and expecting for the best hands, defining our strategy very well and sticking to it, and having a lot of patience for those hands we will be seeing at our tables, not falling in the error of trying to do the same. Of course you can be losing with AA against a donk with 72, but if you played that hand well, you know it wasn't your fault, and it was just another donkey winning without knowing how and why.
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Posted by Fakiry: You can only beat donkeys if you don't play like one. I don't want to offend anyone with this, just remember that old saying: in the land of blinds, that who has an eye is the king! We all know about donkey's luck, playing any two cards in any way, with a big lack of strategy. To defeat them, we just have to do our game the all way around. Not believing in luck and expecting for the best hands, defining our strategy very well and sticking to it, and having a lot of patience for those hands we will be seeing at our tables, not falling in the error of trying to do the same. Of course you can be losing with AA against a donk with 72, but if you played that hand well, you know it wasn't your fault, and it was just another donkey winning without knowing how and why.
I have to agree with Fakiry here
Of course AA can loose versus 72
But if you played it well and your opponent calls all your bets with 72, ther snothing you can do.
What I learnt is : when you have monster starting hands --> 3-bet or 4-bet with at least 25% of the pot
If your opponent folds --> you have a ceertain win, if he calls there are not many hands that can beat you so he must hope for a lucky hit on the table.
I have to agree thefly131. One can always wanted to have bad luck and a Donk calls with 72 and also meets twice on the flop, or otherwise, but then you have played with AA is not bad. How thefly131 already said if you have such a card then simply raise properly and hope for the Donks not sit at the table
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G'day mates
The absolute best way to beat the Donkeys is to NOT play them unless you got one of the top 5 starting hands. Never try to bluff a Donk, They are to stupid to fold before the river.
The very best advice however is a bit surprising. It is undoubtedly going to take the sting out of any lose from a donk. Look for a thread from pochui with hot Xmas poker babes in it and enjoy them pics over and over again.
I agree in 600 flips over the past month on full tilt poker where i am EV+ just under 500 of them have been beat and thats rigged statistics. when statistics do no follow a normal curve they are not normal statistics
Joined: Nov '10
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i tried also to understant this and got no clue so far.no algorithm no logic no sense.and math beated again and again by stupid all in like 85 preflop and hit str8.its all about soft . no mather now good you play if the soft whant to "kill"you nothing can save you. sad but true.
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I think the most effective strategy is to use different tactics of playing.Play tight-agressive, loose agresive.Sometimes it is good to do a slow play.Being unpredictable is very huge advantage
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i have been getting smashed by donkey betting all day its like there rising up from nowhere hahah a revelotion on our hands i just think for the first 20 mins let them go out of the tournament
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It s just a matter of using the correxct strategy.
most donks you find in freerolls in the first hour (keep that in mind)
So you observe the table and look for the donks (have gone multiple times allin with any cards)
If you hit monster cards (AA,KK,QQ, AKs) try to get allin vs 1 player, if there are already 2 donks that raised the pot, just call and wait for the flop, if you hit there--> allin
With pocket pairs try to get into the game as cheap as possible (less than 4 BB) if you hit a set--> allin otherwise check/fold
The only way to play versus donks is :
- Let them pay big if you hit the flop (they call mostly anything) - if you hit monster preflop , try to isolate him for a huge pot preflop
But keep in mind they will have lucjky hits once in a while
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Posted by Jibberish: #1 rule for beating the micros = DONT BLUFF THE DONKS
maybe its beter not to bluf at all lately,lol sometimes it seems they can see your hole cards or read f minds that good they are the last years ! some are so good that they can predict flops and turns and rivers
Don't you get in trouble with the SPCA for beating Donkeys?
Seriously, though don't bluff
pre-flop play only with primo hands and play position. Don't even think of going all in with anything other than aces or kings.
Postflop, bet for value and never slow play. If you have hit the flop big and your sure you have donks on the table, this is the time to go all in. You will hget paid off for more often than they will hit their runner runner miracle draw and at least some of the donks will get scared off and fold. Not overuse this tactic.
The key word is patience. Eventually, the donks will run out of luck and the skilled players will dominate in the end. Unfortunately they will take out many skilled players along the way. In fact, if the donk ratio is too high the game basically becomes a lottery and it's time to find another game.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. - George Carlin
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There's not a lot you can do if your getting beatout with your AA or KK, but as for the standard method of play for cards like AK, J,10 or even Q,J I would recommend doing as Jibberish stated. Don't jump in with both feet, but just limp in. I do this a lot. I may have to fold out if someone goes allin, but I fold K,K at times if someone is allin. It's based on position, where the game stands overall. I mean do I want to make the money or give it up for one call.
I can't really say since I don't know what your up against, but there's a world full of advice here in the forum. Good Luck!
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im pretty sure main problem is donks who go all in preflop with any crapp there not help any limp or playing slowly and if u have AA and decide to play em slow theres always good chance ya might lose sooo best choice is to raise big with 1010+ specialy in freeerolls in real cash ones 100% diffrend rules and play
best way to avoid getting donked out is to be ready to fold any hand if not sure its best 100%
Posted by nipitiri3: im pretty sure main problem is donks who go all in preflop with any crapp there not help any limp or playing slowly and if u have AA and decide to play em slow theres always good chance ya might lose sooo best choice is to raise big with 1010+ specialy in freeerolls in real cash ones 100% diffrend rules and play
best way to avoid getting donked out is to be ready to fold any hand if not sure its best 100%
The maniacs going all in pre-flop is only one part of the problem. There are a lot of players with no idea how to play post flop as well. That's why it's a mistake to bluff in such situations. Pick situations where you are sure that your ahead then make the donks pay for their mistakes.
i play minimum 7,8 per day .... i bust out 90% on runer runer suckout ,and u think that online poker is not fixed? it is not possible to have 5bad beats per day ,when i say bed beat i mean flop top set without str8draw and flush draws,or floped nutz and still loose ...online poker is making me so sick im playing only freerolls from now .everyday same s**t runer runer for str8 or flush or dumbasses wit 22allin hits turn and river for poker ..only online poker do that
Posted by PixBJelovar: i play minimum 7,8 per day .... i bust out 90% on runer runer suckout ,and u think that online poker is not fixed? it is not possible to have 5bad beats per day ,when i say bed beat i mean flop top set without str8draw and flush draws,or floped nutz and still loose ...online poker is making me so sick im playing only freerolls from now .everyday same s**t runer runer for str8 or flush or dumbasses wit 22allin hits turn and river for poker ..only online poker do that
Freerolls are where bad beats are most common. when mistakes actually cause people to lose something they tend to play better. If you add up all the hands you play it's inevitable that you opponent will get lucky from time to time.
You should actually be more worried if your usually behind when you get into all in situations.
I am 90% times ahead ,not behind and still loose. I cant afford to play high stakes cash games and in low and micro stakes donks are killing me. I believe i would make more cash playn agaist ivy and durrr that some crazy players that play micro stakes.
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I believe the easiest way to beat donks in general is to be VERY patient. Just relax and let the cards come to you. You'll get paid most of the times and then you'll be ahead.
Posted by erru9107: I believe the easiest way to beat donks in general is to be VERY patient. Just relax and let the cards come to you. You'll get paid most of the times and then you'll be ahead.
I agree that you have to be patient so It's best to avoid turbos hyper turbos and rush games since the short time for blinds going up means you really can't be patient. The longer you have between blinds going up the more important skill becomes and the less important luck becomes.
