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  6-Jan-13, 11:01   #1
Curse of Premium hands - AA, KK, QQ 0 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: India
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 8
How many players find it difficult playing premium hands on Pokerstars?

My last two hand history:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------PokerStars Hand #91892971192: Tournament #669104742, $0.02+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2013/01/06 16:23:12 IST [2013/01/06 5:53:12 ET]
Table '669104742 66' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: X-lexus-X715 (1550 in chips)
Seat 2: umco83 (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: luigyro22 (4825 in chips)
Seat 4: sjocy (1430 in chips)
Seat 5: k3k93 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: mers33 (1480 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: demonuga777 (4505 in chips)
Seat 8: blerimdu5000 (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: AiCiK910 (1380 in chips)
X-lexus-X715: posts the ante 10
umco83: posts the ante 10
luigyro22: posts the ante 10
sjocy: posts the ante 10
k3k93: posts the ante 10
mers33: posts the ante 10
demonuga777: posts the ante 10
blerimdu5000: posts the ante 10
AiCiK910: posts the ante 10
sjocy: posts small blind 25
k3k93: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AiCiK910 [Ks Kh]
mers33: folds
demonuga777: folds
blerimdu5000: raises 1420 to 1470 and is all-in
AiCiK910: calls 1370 and is all-in
X-lexus-X715: calls 1470
umco83: folds
luigyro22: folds
sjocy: calls 1395 and is all-in
k3k93: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 9s Ah]
mers33 has returned
*** TURN *** [6d 9s Ah] 4 of hearts
*** RIVER *** [6d 9s Ah 4h] Queen of spades
*** SHOW DOWN ***
blerimdu5000: shows [5s As] (a pair of Aces)
X-lexus-X715: shows [Th 9d] (a pair of Nines)
blerimdu5000 collected 100 from side pot-2
sjocy: shows [Qh 3h] (a pair of Queens)
blerimdu5000 collected 150 from side pot-1
AiCiK910: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
blerimdu5000 collected 5620 from main pot
sjocy finished the tournament in 738th place
AiCiK910 finished the tournament in 739th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5870 Main pot 5620. Side pot-1 150. Side pot-2 100. | Rake 0
Board [6d 9s Ah 4h Qs]
Seat 1: X-lexus-X715 showed [Th 9d] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: umco83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: luigyro22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sjocy (small blind) showed [Qh 3h] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: k3k93 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mers33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: demonuga777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: blerimdu5000 showed [5s As] and won (5870) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: AiCiK910 showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
PokerStars Hand #91892034022: Tournament #662777240, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (15000/30000) - 2013/01/06 15:50:39 IST [2013/01/06 5:20:39 ET]
Table '662777240 691' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Mustang_1762 (433568 in chips)
Seat 2: Savalovac (1807274 in chips)
Seat 4: elprorodo (632800 in chips)
Seat 5: KPEMEHb83 (2020570 in chips)
Seat 7: AiCiK910 (868736 in chips)
Seat 8: Fitz827 (1162969 in chips)
Mustang_1762: posts the ante 3000
Savalovac: posts the ante 3000
elprorodo: posts the ante 3000
KPEMEHb83: posts the ante 3000
AiCiK910: posts the ante 3000
Fitz827: posts the ante 3000
Fitz827: posts small blind 15000
Mustang_1762: posts big blind 30000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AiCiK910 [Qc Qs]
Savalovac: calls 30000
elprorodo: calls 30000
KPEMEHb83: raises 30000 to 60000
AiCiK910: raises 805736 to 865736 and is all-in
Fitz827: folds
Mustang_1762: folds
Savalovac: folds
elprorodo: folds
KPEMEHb83: calls 805736
*** FLOP *** [8h 9s 8c]
*** TURN *** [8h 9s 8c] Ace of hearts
*** RIVER *** [8h 9s 8c Ah] 10 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KPEMEHb83: shows [Th Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Eights)
AiCiK910: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
KPEMEHb83 collected 1854472 from pot
AiCiK910 finished the tournament in 13th place and received $0.03.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1854472 | Rake 0
Board [8h 9s 8c Ah Tc]
Seat 1: Mustang_1762 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Savalovac folded before Flop
Seat 4: elprorodo folded before Flop
Seat 5: KPEMEHb83 showed [Th Ts] and won (1854472) with a full house, Tens full of Eights
Seat 7: AiCiK910 (button) showed [Qc Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: Fitz827 (small blind) folded before Flop

Although I know I did play stupid on the Qs but there was no other way to play it, please were calling, raising and even pushing all-ins with bad cards. So, what's the best way to play those hands given that donks will call irrespective and make something with it?

As far as I'm concerned, I'll stop playing low stake since the number of donks is too high and I have been on fire with my tilting luck. Aww crap!

  6-Jan-13, 11:29   #2

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Croatia
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 1735
Bud, to be completely honest i didn't even read the hand histories you just posted, i only saw it was a freeroll and a 2 cents buy-in. At those levels there's no real poker strategy to be applied and it doesn't matter what kind of hand you are holding. Just go with the flow Tongue
Either you'll get lucky or you wont and that's that. Only think about strategy if you get to the final table.
Best of luck on Thumbs Up

  6-Jan-13, 11:53   #3
Joined: Jul '12
Location: Germany
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 62
I have to give lukasb right at the beginning, you can have even the best cards and lose because the donks go along and meet.

  6-Jan-13, 12:53   #4

Joined: Feb '10
Location: Portugal
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 998
FEw years ago i had a crazy time at party poker playing nl10! In around 20 hands i had 17 premium hands, including geting AA, next KK, next AK, QQ, trhen AA and so on! The tables wenrt nuts and i got a big meltdown loosing more than 50$! The table went so nuts that everybody called my all ins with ahny crap and mostly knowing that i had premium hand!! It Was a party hahaahah everybody happy with the donk that got beated almost asll premium hands tilting all the money!!

  6-Jan-13, 13:03   #5

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
G'day mate

Well all I had to see was the freeroll and 0.02 cent buy in to know it was a Bingo session.
You must understand that the best way to play in them is hold of and wait for premium hands.
Yes it seems you did do that Thumbs Up and I do commend you for it. I do not know why your surprised to have been called by donks and then getting sucked out on. You started with a pair which can easily be beaten by such weak hands. even 2 pair beats a pair.
I know it sucks happens to me every dang day and I hate it too.
I am even playing with donks at higher buy ins too. I mean dude there are SuperNova players who admit there donks. You learn to accept it as part od the game or find yourself something else to do.

Be cool and good luck at the tables.

Ronin Cool

  6-Jan-13, 18:01   #6
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
No one said that these premium hands are hard to play especially on nlhe where you can't really combine them with other cards...

But i also have to agree with the other guys, on such low buy ins it's pretty much the same thing that you usually find on freerolls.

  6-Jan-13, 18:32   #7

Joined: Mar '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 587
i hate getting A-A when running deep in a tournament...holding a nice stack...

then it comes ..... A-A ,, i say to myself ,,hmm did i ask for this???

will i suck out again???

to be honest,, i think i win A-A 50% of the time..K-K 40% of the time

A-K over 70% of the time..A-J over 50% of the time A-Q another one i do not like...less then 45% of the time...

haven't mentioned suited cards...as you all might have noticed.

this is how i run with these cards ,for the last year...approximately

Poker is strange... sometimes you feel preflop you'll lose with PPairs ,but sometimes i'm already happy preflop with any pair...

what i do not like about PPairs as starters.. is , you get sucked up in a tunnel,, the higher your pair ,the harder to fold..

and if overcards show up at flop...your pot commited or almost..it's so hard to get out of that tunnel(tunnelvision)

i see many players bust out of tournaments,,because they overplay their PP's preflop then postflop they think they have the ultimate nuts...and can't fold to any aggressors.

I think feeling,position and good reading abilities are a must,when playing those hands..

Knowing how to bet, to make others call or fold,,depends on what you want from that hand...

experience is what we all need in this..i guess..

the more experience ,the easier you'll be able to deal with situations and hands..

anyway,, don't fold K-K or A-A preflop unless your in a satelite tournament and on the absolute bubble,,dominated in chips...i even folded K-K and A-A...

busted out once in such tournament on the bubble,,so to avoid this happening again i even fold monsterhands..

bad beats are just around the corner..like a thief in the night Smile

  6-Jan-13, 20:20   #8

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Lol, hand 1 villain jams with like 100BB with A5s. Gotta love micro tourneys, any ace and there's NO WAY they are folding lol.

Hand 2, yeah your jam for 30+bb is kinda meh with QQ. It's a bit of a big shove, especially considering YOU are the short stack at the table. Doing that, you might as well type in chat "I have a monster, please call me" because you're openly saying to the table you have a good hand. The call with 10's kinda baffles me, but meh again it's micros so make a stupid move, get a stupid call.

  6-Jan-13, 22:25   #9
Joined: Mar '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1
Think you need to learn the simple basics of nlhe poker... AA is only the best hand pre-flop. Post flop, this changes - hence calling all in pre-flop with any hand - even AA, is only going to be successful a percentage of the time - you have to expect times when you will not win - especially when you call a shove out of position and 4-5 handed like your first hand history - If your 80-90% to win pre-flop against 1 opponent, these odds reduce when against more than 1 opponent...

Think you need to read a bit more theory before posting questions like this. Aww crap!

As for "stop playing low stakes"... if you cant master these micro stakes/freerolls then you have almost zero chance of wining at any higher stakes... bingo stakes theoretically are easier to beat because you can anticipate more bad play on your opponents, you just need to learn to fold - even AA can be folded in certain circumstances. - if you are thinking of moving up (As you couldn't really move down) then its your funeral.

  6-Jan-13, 23:29   #10

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
G'day mate

You know I really like your last post.i am not sure if I agree or not but I do like it.
I think I agree with you I just am not sure because i am getting old and find it hard to think clearly these days. i am on new pain meds and I think they might be causing more problems then they are solving. My doc and I are going to make a decision on that soon.

Be cool

Ronin Cool

  7-Jan-13, 00:04   #11
Joined: Nov '12
Location: Croatia
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 9
I had my QQ beat in a $33 tournament in the bubble when the villain called my all in wit JJ and caught a J on the river. I guess it was just meant to be that way.

  7-Jan-13, 08:49   #12

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8485
Posted by ACK:
How many players find it difficult playing premium hands on Pokerstars?

oh yeah so difficult, those fcukin aa, kk, qq- whenever you're dealt such "difficult" hands you're just left scratching your head thinking: "should i go all-in or should i.....go all-in" ooh the pain Confused

  7-Jan-13, 09:19   #13

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
G'day mate

pochui once again you make me laugh. Your sarcastic statement really came shinning threw. Thumbs Up

Keep up the good work dude.
Remember just because they are telling you that you are just being paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you.
Be cool and all the best in 2013.

Ronin Cool

  7-Jan-13, 09:36   #14
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1314
this happens a lot at micro s and freerolls...

and keep in mind monster hand s preflop do not always win.

just use the calculator and calculte your chances of the hands you posted.

I personnally would not go all-in with QQ in a freeroll or 0.02$ mtt, you get probalby calles by more than 1 player

I try to avoid preflop all-ins unless I have less than 15 BB

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