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Well started my tourney day started 1pm GMT and already first tourney first bad beat set up of the day take a look
PokerStars Hand #92111577213: Tournament #668139684, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2013/01/10 13:24:06 WET [2013/01/10 8:24:06 ET] Table '668139684 97' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: kafetzis2012 (8480 in chips) Seat 2: Wayniac99 (2800 in chips) Seat 3: badgood25 (2730 in chips) Seat 4: silvercabs (6485 in chips) Seat 5: KingFranke69 (5720 in chips) Seat 6: AzziZay (7465 in chips) AzziZay: posts small blind 30 kafetzis2012: posts big blind 60 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Wayniac99 [8s 8h] Wayniac99: raises 190 to 250 badgood25: folds silvercabs: folds KingFranke69: folds AzziZay: folds kafetzis2012: calls 190 *** FLOP *** [3d 3h 2c] kafetzis2012: checks Wayniac99: bets 550 kafetzis2012: raises 7680 to 8230 and is all-in Wayniac99: calls 2000 and is all-in Uncalled bet (5680) returned to kafetzis2012 *** TURN *** [3d 3h 2c] *** RIVER *** [3d 3h 2c Ah] *** SHOW DOWN *** kafetzis2012: shows [5h 5d] (a full house, Fives full of Threes) Wayniac99: shows [8s 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes) kafetzis2012 collected 5630 from pot Wayniac99 finished the tournament in 3382nd place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 5630 | Rake 0 Board [3d 3h 2c Ah 5s] Seat 1: kafetzis2012 (big blind) showed [5h 5d] and won (5630) with a full house, Fives full of Threes Seat 2: Wayniac99 showed [8s 8h] and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes Seat 3: badgood25 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: silvercabs folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: KingFranke69 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: AzziZay (small blind) folded before Flop
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G'day mate
I feel your pain. Man i really do. It is gonna continue for a few days so be prepared. I always have a bad 3 day run just after the server resets every time. Yes I know people are going to jump down my throat for saying this but it is also the damned truth for me personally. I urge you to re read what I said, which was " I " meaning me personally, perhaps it psychological or perhaps it is not but " I " always seem to run bad after a server restart.
It sucks out load for me for some unknown reason. I am not blaming the software or anyone else. It is just me and I do not understand why.
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Posted by RoninHarper: G'day mate
I feel your pain. Man i really do. It is gonna continue for a few days so be prepared. I always have a bad 3 day run just after the server resets every time. Yes I know people are going to jump down my throat for saying this but it is also the damned truth for me personally. I urge you to re read what I said, which was " I " meaning me personally, perhaps it psychological or perhaps it is not but " I " always seem to run bad after a server restart.
It sucks out load for me for some unknown reason. I am not blaming the software or anyone else. It is just me and I do not understand why.
Be cool and good luck.
Ronin
nothin wrong with a bit of superstition my friend... as far as the hand goes you raise pre 3 high board comes with him having over pair even tho it was fives it was over pair he most likely thought you where c betting two over cards and wanted to just take down the pot right there was a standard play
Seriously mate, nearly all your threads are about bad beats. I mean seriously, who gives a s**t? Most of them aren't even *that* bad.
The way to beat variance (assuming you're even a decent player, which I have some pretty serious doubts about) is volume. So what I am saying is there is a positive relationship between volume and expected outcome, when it comes to probabllity.
When I play MTTs - I normally play 8-20 in a session, generally with up to 10 tables simultaneously. This is what I suggest you do: each day you play MTTs - play around 10+ and then the beats won't bother you so much, because you'll be able to 'iron out' the variance quicker.. You only need to final table / top-3 the odd MTT to show great profit.
Beyond that, you need to understand the expectation, in any given tourney - is that you WILL bust out (and if you're any good) with a bad beat. That is because to survive to the end of a MTT you need to generally survive quite a few all-in situations.
So even if you always get your chips in as a 80% favourite, the chances are that you will actually lose.. The reason being is because even though you may be on avareage an 80% favourite (again I am being generous here, the reality is there are also plenty of coin-flips and even times when you're getting it in behind) - let's say you have to go all-in a total of 10 times during a MTT - the chances are that 2 out of those 10 times you will lose.. Which means the odds, in any given single MTT, are that you will lose the tournament due to a bad beat.. It's just plain stats/probability.
So in reality - to actually win or get a top place - you need to get really lucky, yup - that is right - LUCKY.
The way to do this is to play enough games that sooner or later you play one we're you get really lucky (you win your coin flips, complete your draws and your good cards hold up in the important hands). This won't happen very often, MTTs are a high-variance format. However - if you're a good player and have a good aggressive style, it WILL happen often enough that you show a profit.
Because for all the many (and there will be MANY) times you bust out before the bubble (or min-cash) due to some idiot calling you with 8 high and hitting their miracle 2-outta on the river or whatever. That occasional time you DO make it - to 1st place, or even 2nd or third.. It will make up for all those busts, because the payouts are really top-heavy.
So one good 1st place will give you more cash than all your losses for your last 50-100 MTTs where you failed to cash.
That is why volume is sooo fucking important.. You need to understand you WILL lose the majority of them, but if you're good, you'll win the occasional one and make some money. Persevere, play more, study the game.
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yo jesse shut the f**k up you silly little convict. Of course its a bad beat 88 v 55 and hit his 2 outer. Of course its a bad beat AA v AK and he hits his 2 outer its a very very regular occurance on websites, If it was a casino i would say randomly dealt s**t happens but online its every other f**king hand so i wont stop moaning on. The reason your probably telling me to stop crying is cos your probably one of the lucky donks. Where as if i was to risk my tournament with rags 70% of the time ive watched the board and i would of won but i want to play poker not bingo, I want to cash big not peanuts. I want to moan about this s**t happening and its my opinion that its rigged for the donkeys but no need to start talking s**t and telling me to stop f**king crying
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Posted by Wayniac99: yo jesse shut the f**k up you silly little convict. Of course its a bad beat 88 v 55 and hit his 2 outer. Of course its a bad beat AA v AK and he hits his 2 outer its a very very regular occurance on websites, If it was a casino i would say randomly dealt s**t happens but online its every other f**king hand so i wont stop moaning on. The reason your probably telling me to stop crying is cos your probably one of the lucky donks. Where as if i was to risk my tournament with rags 70% of the time ive watched the board and i would of won but i want to play poker not bingo, I want to cash big not peanuts. I want to moan about this s**t happening and its my opinion that its rigged for the donkeys but no need to start talking s**t and telling me to stop f**king crying
OK!
Wayniac
Is this your answer to the reality.... it is usefull advise .. bad beats happen all the time
For your bad beat ... Ok you were in front postflop... but I would never have called the allin with just an overpair 88.
He could easily have a 3 in his hand or a higher pocket pair....better folded his allin and noticed this action and use it when you have a monster hand (set, str or fl) When I saw such a hand on my table I would both mark you as easy chips
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Posted by thefly131:
Wayniac
Is this your answer to the reality.... it is usefull advise .. bad beats happen all the time
For your bad beat ... Ok you were in front postflop... but I would never have called the allin with just an overpair 88.
He could easily have a 3 in his hand or a higher pocket pair....better folded his allin and noticed this action and use it when you have a monster hand (set, str or fl) When I saw such a hand on my table I would both mark you as easy chips
Again this is advice
spot on here, why did you call an all in with a pocket low pair after hittig err noting on the flop, and how can you call that a bad beat. low pockets are s**t cards in reality, good only then you flop a set (or hit the odd straight), the truth is the player who went all in would of been easy money if you coud have waited for a better hand, your call was a bad one if you were beaten you only had 2 outs, couldnt even jam a straight or a flush and yes he only had pokcet 5's but you didnt now that at the time. just to be clear when i play low pockets, i rarely call big raises preflop though might 3bet in a late position, and am prepared to fold if i dont flop a set or open ended straight draw, i could try and take the pot on the flop like you did, but when he shoved to your pot sized bet were there no alarm bells ringing in your head?
Seriously mate, nearly all your threads are about bad beats. I mean seriously, who gives a s**t? Most of them aren't even *that* bad.
The way to beat variance (assuming you're even a decent player, which I have some pretty serious doubts about) is volume. So what I am saying is there is a positive relationship between volume and expected outcome, when it comes to probabllity.
When I play MTTs - I normally play 8-20 in a session, generally with up to 10 tables simultaneously. This is what I suggest you do: each day you play MTTs - play around 10+ and then the beats won't bother you so much, because you'll be able to 'iron out' the variance quicker.. You only need to final table / top-3 the odd MTT to show great profit.
Beyond that, you need to understand the expectation, in any given tourney - is that you WILL bust out (and if you're any good) with a bad beat. That is because to survive to the end of a MTT you need to generally survive quite a few all-in situations.
So even if you always get your chips in as a 80% favourite, the chances are that you will actually lose.. The reason being is because even though you may be on avareage an 80% favourite (again I am being generous here, the reality is there are also plenty of coin-flips and even times when you're getting it in behind) - let's say you have to go all-in a total of 10 times during a MTT - the chances are that 2 out of those 10 times you will lose.. Which means the odds, in any given single MTT, are that you will lose the tournament due to a bad beat.. It's just plain stats/probability.
So in reality - to actually win or get a top place - you need to get really lucky, yup - that is right - LUCKY.
The way to do this is to play enough games that sooner or later you play one we're you get really lucky (you win your coin flips, complete your draws and your good cards hold up in the important hands). This won't happen very often, MTTs are a high-variance format. However - if you're a good player and have a good aggressive style, it WILL happen often enough that you show a profit.
Because for all the many (and there will be MANY) times you bust out before the bubble (or min-cash) due to some idiot calling you with 8 high and hitting their miracle 2-outta on the river or whatever. That occasional time you DO make it - to 1st place, or even 2nd or third.. It will make up for all those busts, because the payouts are really top-heavy.
So one good 1st place will give you more cash than all your losses for your last 50-100 MTTs where you failed to cash.
That is why volume is sooo fucking important.. You need to understand you WILL lose the majority of them, but if you're good, you'll win the occasional one and make some money. Persevere, play more, study the game.
AND STOP FUCKING CRYING WHEN YOU LOSE A HAND.
OK?
before i read any further then the post under this one i wanted to say i was already thumbing this post up before i read the one below and that just me want to thumb it up re post it and shove it in that arrogant little snots face that YA YOUR CRYING YA S**T HAPPENS GET USED IT OR QUIT POKER!!!!!! +1,000,000 TO JESSE
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Posted by RoninHarper: G'day mate
I feel your pain. Man i really do. It is gonna continue for a few days so be prepared. I always have a bad 3 day run just after the server resets every time. Yes I know people are going to jump down my throat for saying this but it is also the damned truth for me personally. I urge you to re read what I said, which was " I " meaning me personally, perhaps it psychological or perhaps it is not but " I " always seem to run bad after a server restart.
It sucks out load for me for some unknown reason. I am not blaming the software or anyone else. It is just me and I do not understand why.
Be cool and good luck.
Ronin
I FEEL AWEFUL i was going to top post to give bad rating to him and i accidently gave you one
------------ lol it wasnt letting me redo now it did HURRAY
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Posted by Wayniac99: yo jesse shut the f**k up you silly little convict. Of course its a bad beat 88 v 55 and hit his 2 outer. Of course its a bad beat AA v AK and he hits his 2 outer its a very very regular occurance on websites, If it was a casino i would say randomly dealt s**t happens but online its every other f**king hand so i wont stop moaning on. The reason your probably telling me to stop crying is cos your probably one of the lucky donks. Where as if i was to risk my tournament with rags 70% of the time ive watched the board and i would of won but i want to play poker not bingo, I want to cash big not peanuts. I want to moan about this s**t happening and its my opinion that its rigged for the donkeys but no need to start talking s**t and telling me to stop f**king crying
OK!
If he tilts this hard when someone offers decent advice just imagine what he's like at the table. A total no hoper if his emotions run that wild.
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G'day shark
Yea that is me at times when it come to poker a little superstitious. i HATE pocket Jacks and I always fold ACE 8. It used to be my favorite hand until I looked at how much I lost with them Ace 8 combos. I figure since I started to auto fold them I have save myself thousands of dollars.
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Posted by Wayniac99: yo jesse shut the f**k up you silly little convict. Of course its a bad beat 88 v 55 and hit his 2 outer. Of course its a bad beat AA v AK and he hits his 2 outer its a very very regular occurance on websites, If it was a casino i would say randomly dealt s**t happens but online its every other f**king hand so i wont stop moaning on. The reason your probably telling me to stop crying is cos your probably one of the lucky donks. Where as if i was to risk my tournament with rags 70% of the time ive watched the board and i would of won but i want to play poker not bingo, I want to cash big not peanuts. I want to moan about this s**t happening and its my opinion that its rigged for the donkeys but no need to start talking s**t and telling me to stop f**king crying
OK!
And this, my friends, is WHY rigtard/donks are so much fun. Seriously man, pull your head out of your ass, and realize it's YOU that f**king sucks, not the other players. Let's do some actual hand analysis here.
Okay, You're UTG and you 4x it with pocket 8's. What's your thought process here. Why a 4x raise, when 3x is standard? Do you think the extra 1BB is going to fold more people out of the hand? Are you attempting some sort of isolation maneuver?
Once you hit the board, I don't mind the near pot sized bet. But when he shoves, why are you calling? Think about what you have, and what he COULD be taking his line with. He called your raise pre, and then shoves to your bet. What would YOU do that with?
I suggest, instead of attacking regulars who have contributed a HELL of a lot more than you have here, and have probably won more in ONE session than you will in your entire time playing online poker, that you take the advice and be grateful.
We're all here to educate and help each other. If you can't accept criticism, then I suggest you f**k off buddy.
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Firstly, Jess was giving you good advice and you tell her to shut the f**k up and call her a CONVICT(stupidity never ceases to amaze).
Posted by Wayniac99: If it was a casino i would say randomly dealt s**t happens but online its every other fucking hand.its my opinion that its rigged for the donkeys.
Secondly, why are you still playing online poker if believe YOUR quote above. Einstein definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
And lastly i was gonna give you advice on how baldly you played the hand before your reply to Jess but it's pointless because it's obvious you are not a rational person.
Edited by Nightmare161 (10 January 2013 @ 22:55 GMT)
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Posted by Nightmare161: Firstly, Jess was giving you good advice and you tell her to shut the f**k up and call her a CONVICT(stupidity never ceases to amaze).
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Honestly I deal with these type of hands on an every game basis and not to side with anyone, but jessthe human is right about this and and about a couple other statements that apparently you acknowledged since it angered you.
Just start discussing something else and don't take opiinions to the point that you get upset and call fellow Mobsters names. Especially when you don't have any seniority here in BRM or the forum.
I mean, you do post to many basic hands that are due to the variables that exist in playing poker which are not bad beats nor should you feel you got donked. You overplayed a pair of 8's and received opinions. So accept the opinions and move on or reply back in a professional manner and argue your point as to why it's considered a badbeat in your mind.
Good Luck to All and straighten up wayne or you'll get
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Nightmare161: Firstly, Jess was giving you good advice and you tell her to shut the f**k up and call her a CONVICT(stupidity never ceases to amaze).
+1,000,000 TO JESSE
