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  24-Jan-13, 18:36   #1
How many Buy-Ins for DoN SnG? 0 
erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
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As the topic says, I was just wondering what you think is an appropriate amount of BI's for DoN SnG's? I'm thinking 50 Buy-Ins is a decent amount, although I might go for 100. It sure is much but I like to keep on the safe side.

What do you guys think is a good amount of BI's for DoN SnG's?

     
  24-Jan-13, 18:46   #2
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Mober 
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Not an expert in this but i believe that 50 is a good number to start playing.
Although im saying this having in mind the regular tournaments.
I dont know if that goes too for doubles.
Anyways gl in your games

     
  24-Jan-13, 19:42   #3
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pochui 

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actually dons require less BI's then the regular sng's, so i'd say anything from 20-50 is fine.

     
  24-Jan-13, 21:07   #4
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Macubaas 
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50 is good mate, you need to know that the variance is not that high on SNG, on tournaments you need indeed to have at least 100 buy ins...

On what level of buy in you want to play because this is also pretty important, on the lowest stakes you should expect a bit higher variance.

     
  26-Jan-13, 08:48   #5
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
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Well I play SNG DoN regurlarly at 0.5$ at PP (this is lowest buy-in Party offers)

I prefer 10-player tables over 6-player tables

I started of there with a 10$ bankroll and have now about 25 $ (I also play cash tables (fast forward) also with profit)
If you play the SNG DoN good it s defenitely profitable at the low buy-ins as most players play to many hands and take to many risks (especially when they are bigstack)

So you just have to wait that they play eachother out (that s why I prefer 10 player tables) and try to avoid the last 2 places in stacksize.
strategy I use there is just playing monster hands ( AA,KK,QQ and AK) --> 4 BB raise when there s no raise in front of you, when there s a raise before you just call and see what the flop brings.

SO --> Patience and dicipline will do the job...
and Never Bluff

My win rate at 0.5$ SNG DoN is between 7 or 8 out of 10

So bankroll : minimum 20 to 25 buy-ins is enough, just remember to get to lower buy-ins igf you drop lower than 20 buy-ins

I am thinking of switching to 1$ buyins myself when I reach 30 $





     
  26-Jan-13, 10:40   #6
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Zen1004 
Joined: Apr '12
Location: Korea, Republic of
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They can be quite profitable the just require patience. It's one of the few places where you don't have many all-in donks dominating the early rounds.

Before playing them for the first time though I'd recommend spending some time watching a few SnG's to get a feel for the playing styles you'll find there.

     
  26-Jan-13, 12:29   #7
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greators 
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Germany
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I played DONs for a while. I played with 50 BIs till I reached the 10 Dollar DONs then switched to 80.

     
  26-Jan-13, 13:07   #8
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Mago666 

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always 100 Buy -ins if u play tourneys or sit&gos!

     
  26-Jan-13, 13:21   #9
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thefly131 
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Its a SNG Double or nothing --> means top 5 double their buy-in

so pay-out structure at Party : buy-in 0.5$ --> top 5 get 0.9$

This pay-out structure makes the bankrollmanagement different from MTT or normal SNG

SO less buy-ins needed for your bankroll as theoretically you ll win 50% (the better your pokerskills ,the higher this value will be)

     
  26-Jan-13, 13:38   #10
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Zen1004 
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The 50 - 50's at Pokerstars aren't technically true double or nothings. With the $1.50 SNG's the top 5 players will get $1.39 + $0.04 for every 100 chips they have left at the end. The top 2 sometimes 3 players tend to do a little better than double and the others a little less.

Although in one, the leader got gready on the bubble and started shoving on everything. I sat and waited for a primo hand and called. did that a few times and eventually took him out in 6th place. I ended the tourney in sixth place with 4 times my buy in. Those situations don't happen very often though as the players tend to play very tight. It takes patience to be successful in these kid of SnG's.

     
  26-Jan-13, 14:19   #11
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ayaraled 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Philippines
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think the mobsters comments are good...i got this idea laso from a fellow mobsters....around 20 BI for DON and 30 or more for SNG...and go down in level once your in go down by 10 BI

     
  26-Jan-13, 16:13   #12
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ILI_002 

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if you 're now starting to play DoN & SnG, definitely go for 100 BI.
Variance is an unpredictable monster and you'll never be able to play your A-game
when you have the fearof not losing your bankroll or to show quick results.
You'll end up playing scared money and change your game style, just to make some winnings,
something which is not good.
Partypoker has some decent DoNs, but the rake is a bit of a killer, so you'll need to play
many games to surpass it and make a profit

To understand how good your game is, in SnG always give it 100-150 BI
gl

     
  26-Jan-13, 16:17   #13
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
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I read on IntelliPoker course, that the minimum is 50 BI for SnG, so I believe them Blink

     
  26-Jan-13, 21:57   #14
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
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For your knowledge, I'm not unknown to the game in any way. I just have a small problem when it comes to bankroll management so I thought I'd just as what you guys think is a good amount.

After thinking it through I might go for 50 BI. I think that's plenty enough.

     
  27-Jan-13, 10:45   #15
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Posted by ILI_002:
if you 're now starting to play DoN & SnG, definitely go for 100 BI.
Variance is an unpredictable monster and you'll never be able to play your A-game
when you have the fearof not losing your bankroll or to show quick results.
You'll end up playing scared money and change your game style, just to make some winnings,
something which is not good.
Partypoker has some decent DoNs, but the rake is a bit of a killer, so you'll need to play
many games to surpass it and make a profit

To understand how good your game is, in SnG always give it 100-150 BI
gl



Well lesson 1 for playing SNG DoN : read a little p***********y and play very TIGHT, in cash games the rule is tight is right , but in SNG DoN very tight is right (so the number of hands you want to play is as low as possible)

I created a poll a while ago of folding pocket kings in a SNG DoN (6 players left and 4 th in chipstack, allin from shortstack UTG), me on the button with the 2 bigstack behind.

In about 20 % of the SNG DoN I play, I win with playing just the BB if there s no raise. In the low buy-ins most players play to much hands and go allin to fast.

So I advise a minimum buy-in of 20 BB is needed

0.5 $ SNG DoN --> minimum of 10 $ (so preferable start with 15$)
1 $ SNG DoN ---> minimum of 20 $, if you have a smaller BR go back to 0.5$

     
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