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hey guys what are some of your favorite pokerstars run tournaments. they dont have to be easy or soft as its called. just looking to see what every thinks of different tournaments.
my favorite sngs are 2.50 180 men and HU ones. i also love those hyper turbo 6 mans jess is always playing tho last time i did that it went south fast lol.
i prefer MTTs and for buy in prefer anything 5 and up cause of the slight improvement in quality of players. always wanted to play the sunday million and i also really like the many good event tournaments such as micro millions and tcoop.
lets here your posts mate!
Edited by pokershark74 (25 January 2013 @ 07:55 GMT)
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For soft tournaments it's hard to go past the short-field ones on PKR (see graph )
In terms of what I enjoy - I really do enjoy the big deep stack events (20K starting stack, level 1 blinds @ 10/20 and 20min blind levels) and I've done quite well in them. But I rarely have the patience these days, so lately my bread and butter is the Hyper SNGs and the Turbo MTTs..Not really a huge fan of Hyper MTTs oddly enough - they a bit much of a crap shoot - part of the lure of Hyper SNGs is that you can play 100+ in an hour, which means even with a tiny ROI% you can make a pretty decent hourly (for example $30+/hr is easily achievable from $6 SNGs) - however with MTTs it's not really the same, even if they're 'hyper' they still gonna run for an hour or two, so it's really just cutting down your ROI (due to the high variance/gamble of hypers). Turbo ones are pretty good though, nice mix of "real" poker and good ol "shove/fold" poker
------------ Specifically actually, on stars - I like the 6max turbo games, one of the first games I played on Stars since I recently made the switch was a $8.80 6m turbo and I managed 2nd place for around $800, so that was pretty neat.. Oh - I also LOVE, really LOVE the $10.50 KO HU Turbo games, done really well in those, including I binked one a few days ago for about $300.
Edited by jessthehuman (25 January 2013 @ 08:44 GMT)
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Posted by saynothing: Big vareince in HU, need a huge roll
Yeah, although with the $10 KO HU MTTs the variance isn't too huge, because $5 towards prizepool and $5 towards bounty for KO.. So even if you only make it to the 2nd round, you've already got your buyin back.. Certainly a lot less variance than straight HU MTTs, where you have to survive 5+ rounds to get anything back.
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tru , I tend to prefer ko's there fun nice to get buy in fee back off tho's ko's + there donk infested every1 tryin to get a KO and not think about the big picture
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Posted by saynothing: there donk infested every1 tryin to get a KO and not think about the big picture
yes! For this reason KO/Bounty MTTs are ALWAYS really good value.. so many idiots making awful calls, risking heaps of cEV just for a tiny bounty prize, some people have NFI.
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It's just a way of calculating EV (Expected Value) for MTTs. In a cash game for example, it is always $EV - meaning if you're 50.5% fav to win, then it's a good bet. With MTTs the calculations are a lot more complicated (google ICM calculations) - so basically your EV isn't calculated as straight EV.. You need to factor in the "value" of your chips (c) so we call it cEV (Chip Expected Value) or chip equity. Basically to work out cEV you need to use ICM or a similar formula to calculate what your chips will be worth if you win/lose to work out with it is (c)EV + or -
------------ EDIT: note in a KO game cEV calculations are even more complicated, because under normal ICM calculations it is assumed that if you lose your whole stack then your cEV becomes zero, but with bounties, things are a little less straight forward.
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Basically a really simple way of thinking about chip equity is to know that because in a SNG/MTT 1st place does NOT get the entire prize pool, the max you can win is whatever 1st place pays, this essentially distorts your equity.
So as a rule of thumb remember this: The chips you lose are worth MORE than the chips you win. Sounds weird but it is true, which basically means you generally want to be substantially more than 50% to win when your chips go in the middle. Not to say you can't take flips - but it's the exact reason why CALLING allins with small-medium pps is almost ALWAYS -cEV
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LOLz , never gave this any thought before , But yes it actually dose make alot of sence and I am sure good sng/mtt players follow this rule of thumb and do really well when putting in alot of games in, I think I follow this rule, although i just learnd about it today LOLz
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Yeah, it's mostly common sense, so even without thinking about it, most decent players will more or less play like this anyway.. But it's worth knowing, just so you're aware of it in certain decision making times.. Particularly in deep/slow stack MTTs it's worth keeping in mind that you should never race with AK/AQ or 22-JJ type hands while you still have >30-40bb if you can help it.. I mean sometimes you'll shove/squeeze over a 3bet with these hands because you have some fold equity as well and if called you're gonna race.. But it's never worth calling off 40+bb with AK or 88 or whatever, because generally you're just flipping for your stack and ultimately this is not a winning way to play/
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I agree man, real good stuff to actually consider I mean think twice dosent hurt, like putting in the cEV rule and actually following it would be real hard, and im sure even the most die hard poker pro dont always follow it, But im sure 75% of the time they do thats why there winning players
I like the 50 - 50 tournaments. You start with 10 players and the last 5 get paid. The secret to playing them is to practice stack protection and be aggressive on your premium hands. You won't get any big payouts but you also get paid a lot more often.
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Posted by Zen1004: I like the 50 - 50 tournaments. You start with 10 players and the last 5 get paid. The secret to playing them is to practice stack protection and be aggressive on your premium hands. You won't get any big payouts but you also get paid a lot more often.
I'm yet to try one of these.. not a fan of DoNs, but I understand this format is a bit different, because you're paid on big stack, not just surviving, I like that idea better..
Posted by Zen1004: I like the 50 - 50 tournaments. You start with 10 players and the last 5 get paid. The secret to playing them is to practice stack protection and be aggressive on your premium hands. You won't get any big payouts but you also get paid a lot more often.
I'm yet to try one of these.. not a fan of DoNs, but I understand this format is a bit different, because you're paid on big stack, not just surviving, I like that idea better..
You have to make adjustments, which I see as a good thing since to advance as poker players we really need to be able change our natural playing styles to take advantage of opponents holes and to keep them from taking advantage of ours. Very few donks as well, so not many early all in bingos to worry about.
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I agree with you about the buy-in, but sometimes one likes to play more than the monthly available cashier allows, and that usually makes us go in the wrong direction, making bad choices like playing lower buy-in tourneys in order to have the chance to play more. It’s an error, everyone should admit it. It’s better to play less, but each time one sits for a game, play a real one, and if we get to the prizes, it will also be a lot more interesting.
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+ there donk infested every1 tryin to get a KO and not think about the big picture
