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  31-Jan-13, 15:00   #1
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awood88 
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So I thought this was an interesting discussion that originated in that other thread but it doesn't really belong there so I've copied it. Why? Well many people I know seem to believe slots are not random, especially the slot in the pub, so I think some education on slots might be valuable to some members.

Posted by gmgm:
im aware of these statistics i beat slots proffesionally i have common sense a level maths


Posted by jessthehuman:
Awesome. You BEAT slots professionally? You what?! Man - "beating slots" and "common sense" and "understanding maths" don't all add up buddy.


Posted by gmgm:
pub slots

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i manipulate software to beat the odds

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my point is slots are there to take ur money but its just software and can be beaten if u play the side games on poker slots even they let you win straight away to get u involved and spending , when u push start on a slot and say roll 3 cherries in its not chance its software teling it 2 put 3 cherries in, and i believe that you who think im talking garbage will also believe the cherries landed by chance.


Posted by jessthehuman:
How am I the only one fascinated by this claim? Is this not setting off alarm bells for anyone else? Come on! This guy is claiming to BEAT the pub slots.
So tell me, how do you 'manipulate the software' and by all means, go into technical detail, I am a software programmer.

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Damn, I kind of skipped over this wall of text before, just read it properly now. Sadly your claim just went KAPUT! As somebody who actually understand slot machines, this obviously isn't correct. They don't need to do anything like this: They're already fixed with an edge, generally very favourable to the house, like 80%, although this can actually be adjusted - allowing for"good" days like 90% etc.

So it turns out your "manipulating" the software is nothing special at all - you're just another crazy degen slot-addict - heard all your crap before from ALL the other losing slot players. You think you're the first idiot to have thought up these ways of beating slots? Just about every slot degen out there has come up with this nonsense as well and of course it doesn't work, because it's utter crap.


Posted by marqis:
Surely it's impossible to be a "professional" in games with a house edge, unless you have some way to turn the odds in your favor (like the MIT crew did with counting cards in black jack, back in the day).

The logical explanation therefore is that anyone claiming to be a professional, believes these professionals do exist, due to a lack of understanding of why it's not possible, and is simply pretending to be one of them...


Posted by jessthehuman:
Yes - that is my conclusion as well. If you read through that wall of text I quoted from him, he goes on to say his "special techniques" are literally the same thing that all the losing slots-degens go on about - ways of trying to trick the ways they perceive the slots to be programmed.. They think there are special times to bet and such, by second guessing the slot machines.

I can guarantee the slots aren't programmed in any way that can be beaten like this, that would be stupid. Obviously people would catch on to it and ultimately beat the system. Which is exactly why it is just random with a house edge, too easy.


Posted by awood88:
Regarding slot machines I'm not sure that pub slots work in the same way as casino slots and online slots. I am no expert but I know that plenty of people claim they can win pub slots by watching it til it's ready to pay out. I have heard that they are programmed to pay out after a number of spins, so the chances of winning the jackpot are nonexistent in the few spins after the jackpot goes. Saying that I also know people who are convinced the machine is going to pay out so they keep going to the bar to get change (they are also convinced coins makes the machine feel more full than notes) and then the machine takes another £30 to pay out £50, and they think they've won. (They've actually put £60 in but have selective memory)


Posted by jessthehuman:
Nup. These same people exist at all levels of Australian slots to: Casino slots, pub slots, whatever. They all come up with crazy theories as to when it's likely to pay. And yes the idea that they won't pay again shortly after a recent jackpot is a common one, but completely false. They're all false, that's why these people are all degenerate losers hanging around pub slots. Trust me - these ideas aren't unique to UK pub slots - people have all kinds of stupid theories when it comes to slots anyway (and online) and they're all wrong. I've actually even seen some code for slot machines. It's simply not the way they work.

I used to even be a slot-degen myself, wasted years and thousands of dollars - although I NEVER believed I could beat them, I just wasn't in a happy place in life, I went to lose, simple as that. But I met all these people, they were all degenerate losers. All of them. You can't beat slots.

Think about it logically - WHY would they program them in a way that you could easily beat by learning the 'rules' by which they paid out? The simple and correct answer is "they wouldn't be and aren't".


Posted by retribution:
You do realise how retarded you look by saying that? If you had any idea of the concept of basic math, you'd know how flawed that statement is. Slots literally can not be beaten. They are designed to give back only 95% of what they take in. So out of $1,000,000 put in, they only pay out $950,000. That right there is the biggest reason why slots are literally unbeatable. And in SOME regulated areas, the required payout can be as low as 87%. And that's ONLY live casinos. Online casinos, I'd image the payout is even lower.


The reason I've always thought the pub slot was programmed to pay out at certain times is most likely that that's what most people say and I've never really thought about it. But actually I've considered the argument and I think there is good logic to support it. First of all, pub slots are not just three or four rolls, they have features, which I've watched and I can tell you for a fact that the numbers of spaces you move is not random. Whilst the chances of getting a feature might be random, and the chances of a player winning might be random, the pathway that you get to the jackpot definitely isn't.

Secondly, casinos have lots of machines and lots of players so they can logically allow a couple of jackpots to go, it's all about variance. But the pub has one or two machines, which it rents and the pub gets the vast majority of the takings. But the machines are also changed every month so people don't get too used to how a particular machine works.

And I don't see why the machine would lose if it only paid out a fixed %5-10. It wouldn't matter if some people knew when it was paying out because it would already have taken enough, and even some of the smart players would have fed it money to see if it was paying.

And now I will completely contradict myself by saying that the pub sometimes has to add a float. The pub puts money in the machine so it can pay out, which would seem odd if the machine never paid out more than it took. And as already mentioned, there are plenty of players in the pub I work who are convinced the machine is paying out when it isn't. Still, this could be part of the machines programming, to trick you into putting more money in.

The truth is, neither me nor my boss who plays the pub bandit, knows how the machine works so it would be interesting to know.

     
  31-Jan-13, 16:33   #2
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pochui 

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don't know what u wanna hear- regarding pub putting money in the slot: slots payout randomly, so lets say it takes $1000, and pays out $900...that doesn't mean that it takes whole $1000 in first place, it might actually payout $500 first, and then $300 more and only then take the $1000 it is programmed to take from players.
now regarding to saying u cannot beat slots- it is true & it it false at the same time...in reality u can beat the slots, but actually u are beating not the machine itself, but u beat other players to the payoff- some people form crews to hang in the casinos virtually 24/7- they play slots for min stakes with the only reason of taking notes how much other people pile into the slots, since slots have to give money back at some time- they just occupy the place at this over-fed slot and feed it even more waiting for the moment it pays out.
other method of beating slots is pure cheating- u have to know the slot attendant, he will tell u which slots have a very positive chance of making a payoff- slot attendants take notes of the numbers at every shift, so if u fcuk one beautiful big boobed slot attendant- u might hit the jackpot sooner that u expected.

if u just sit & pile money in the slot machine hoping u can change something- in the long run u will lose 100%, in the short time sure u can win- but that's just luck


     
  31-Jan-13, 16:49   #3
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jessthehuman 

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This may sound a little contradictory to what I last said, but I will actually say one thing about the slot jackpots.. Don't know about ones over seas, but in my state, in Aus, the small pokies venues often advertise jackpots that MUST go off before they hit a certain figure, so IF the jackpot happens to climb just short of the maximum it can get to, then you do actually know for a fact that it will go off within the hour or whatever..

However - in saying that, these jackpots are linked across venues - so simply sitting at a machine that's involved in the jackpot feature won't increase your "EV" enough for it to be +EV, even though the jackpot is going to go off soon.

However - about a decade ago, there was a small-time crime syndicate that basically scouted the venues looking for when they reached close to the jackpot, anyway - what they would do is actually 'heavy' people out of their seats and essentially occupy close to all the machines that are linked to the jackpot feature, this allows them to then just play minimum bets, across all the machines and because they're sitting at 90% of the jackpot machines, they're pretty likely to score it, knowing that it HAS to go off within the hour.

This is about the only time I've heard of people actually 'beating' it, however - it was a whole syndicate of people, basically using stand-over tactics that could be construed as illegal and beyond that, these 'jackpots' weren't really that high - meaning that across a whole 'team' of people, each individual 'cut' would be tiny.

At any rate - whilst not exactly sophisticated, they did ultimately 'beat' the game, for a minor profit. However - police got wind and eventually they were venue banned from all the pokies joints.




That said - I would imagine EVEN if we give credit to the idea that there's certain predictable patterns and/or pathways to winning the jackpot(s) - it's unlikely that knowing the information would ever actually be +EV for a player - at best, you would simply LOWER the house edge, so you were getting a little better than usual odds.



For the most part though, it's all simply just random RNG stuff. And for all the people claiming it's not going to go off again after it's just done a massive payout, that simply isn't true - I've seen all kinds of stuff, including major jackpots hitting on single machines within spaces of 5-10min.

     
  31-Jan-13, 17:25   #4
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awood88 
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Posted by pochui:
don't know what u wanna hear-
now regarding to saying u cannot beat slots- it is true & it it false at the same time...in reality u can beat the slots, but actually u are beating not the machine itself, but u beat other players to the payoff- some people form crews to hang in the casinos virtually 24/7- they play slots for min stakes with the only reason of taking notes how much other people pile into the slots, since slots have to give money back at some time- they just occupy the place at this over-fed slot and feed it even more waiting for the moment it pays out.


There's nothing I wanna hear. I don't play these and never would. So I just wanna hear honest opinions.

Above we have two conflicting opinions from what I think are both intelligent, reasonable mobsters so this is one debate that is rational and one we probably should be having. One opinion is that every spin on a slot is random but the odds are in favour of the house so the casino wins on variance alone. The other opinion is that a computer shortens or widens the odds depending on how much money it has taken, that a computer deliberately keeps count of house winnings and that some people can take advantage of this system.

It seems odd but the system where the casino has the best guarantee of profit is also the system where the smart man can get a cut of the profit. Though that surely suggests that the saps who play the slots aimlessly have even less chance of profit due to the best machines being taken, and so you'd think they'd stop paying into the system. I'm still torn on whether the odds are fixed or not.

     
  31-Jan-13, 18:29   #5
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pochui 

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to put it short- u can win at slots, but u can win the lottery too. u know the cliché house always wins, well this is pretty much true...some people might find a way to manipulate/ cheat the system, but eventually they will be busted/ killed or busted & killed Big Smile
btw i was a slot attendant for about a year, so i know that slots are beatable (look at the post above) but as i said in this post- you might win here and there, but u risk a lot if u get busted, and most of the time u will be busted...

@jess - yep this is another option (chasing the jackpots)- this is actually by far the safest method of trying to beat the slots in the long run- why safest? because what u'r doing is perfectly legal, of course once casino detects u/ your gang, same thing as with card counters will be applied (u will be kicked out & put in the blacklist). btw u should pick smaller casino's or look for jackpots that are linked with as few branches as possible...i imagine just playing on 1 slot increases your ev by a lot, when u know that jackpot will be hit anytime soon...when i worked at a casino- we had 3 casinos with a linked jackpot- and from the daily average action we more or less predicted that jackpot will be hit sometime at night, naturally very few gamblers spotted this and we had around 10 regs in every casino.. imagine situation: 30 players playing min/mid stakes, risking something like $10-$1000 to win $30K, now that's one damn +EV situation...

     
  31-Jan-13, 22:48   #6
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When I would play in Vegas I used to think I had a technique that would allow me to win more then the ordinary player. The only machines that my technique worked on were the older type (non-digital) one arm bandits.

I would always use the handle and there's a clicking and you would have to allow the arm to move back into position by manually stepping it back in 3 steps. Click, Click, Click!

My wife thoughtIwas full of poop, but I would always make 300 to 500 dollars. I couldn't hit the jackpot, but I'd hit a lot of small pots.

     
  1-Feb-13, 10:04   #7
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gmgm 
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i beat slots as a job, deal with it! do search on utube on dond awp empty for evidence im the fat cunt

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heres an example, everytime u press cashpot goes up to a max of 70, play when pots are near 70 on all 3 stakes the cashpots are free wins as they are paid for each press,if its 70 jpt a invincible board ill cost u no more than 140 take free cash pot on each stake these are free then pay your inv board for 70 140 or 210 on megastreak max result 420 from 140 min result 280 from 140 this is MANIPULATION

Edited by gmgm (Friday, February 01, 2013 @ 10:13 GMT)


     
  1-Feb-13, 10:16   #8
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remco2504 
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I mostly agree to all what JessTheHuman had to say in this thread.
Me and him both where slot junkies for a long time and i still am a little.

About pub slots having to pay out when they are full or they first taking 1000 and they paying out 900 is complete bs.

We had slots in our bars and some weeks the slot wont give anything and it would litterly take thousands and pay out hundreds. Then sometimes in 1 week it would payout huge 3 or 4 times.

So you can actually never say anything about when a slot is going to pay..

     
  1-Feb-13, 12:46   #9
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marqis 

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I doubt that any company that produces slot machines that are exploitable in some way, stay in business for very long. As soon as an exploit would be discovered, these machines would start losing money for their owners, harming the reputation of the company that built it.

As for "chasing jackpots", that sounds a lot like the waiting for 5 blacks in a row, and then betting big on red, at the roulette table (which of course is a common misconception, caused by irrational thinking)...

I've never played slot machines, so I don't know how they work, but I will put it to you, that anyone claiming they can beat them, knows even less...

     
  1-Feb-13, 14:32   #10
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Posted by marqis:
I've never played slot machines, so I don't know how they work, but I will put it to you, that anyone claiming they can beat them, knows even less...

every normal punter will not beat slots in the long run, but every monkey could be a long term winning player if they were put at slots by one who knows the "inside info".
what i'm saying: slots attendants take the info about how much money has been put in the slot and how much it has paid out at every shift, sometimes even couple of times- meaning they know which slots have paid over the set payout (lets say owner sets this to 80%- so slot can be at a state where it paid out 95%, or even in the negative zone, meaning it paid out more that gamblers put in it) and more importantly they know which slots paid out way less then they due to pay - lets say reading the numbers u see that slot has only paid out 30% of what it collected, wouldn't u want to jump in on it knowing that in the long term this slot is programmed to payout regular 80% or anything else...i can back my sayings with facts- i worked as a slot attendant, and we constantly had a slot or two which were due to payout...whoever played it for a long enough period would go away witha profit...

     
  1-Feb-13, 15:35   #11
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marqis 

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Posted by pochui:
lets say reading the numbers u see that slot has only paid out 30% of what it collected, wouldn't u want to jump in on it knowing that in the long term this slot is programmed to payout regular 80%

No. If you flip a coin long enough, until it comes up heads 5 times in a row, would you give me better than 1:1 odds on it coming up tails this time?

Of course you wouldn't because you know that the chance remains 50%, no matter how much it came up heads previously. The physics of a coin flip do not change, because of history; why would it, short of wear and tear on the tails side from landing on it more often Smile ...

If you think it does matter, can you calculate for me by how much then?

The same goes for slot machines, I would imagine. If it pays out 80%, it doesn't mean it will compensate for paying out too little in the past; it will just keep on paying out 80%, regardless of it's history. I can't imagine why they would program it in any other way.

Edited by marqis (Friday, February 01, 2013 @ 15:39 GMT)


     
  1-Feb-13, 15:53   #12
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Posted by marqis:
The same goes for slot machines, I would imagine. If it pays out 80%, it doesn't mean it will compensate for paying out too little in the past; it will just keep on paying out 80%, regardless of it's history. I can't imagine why they would program it in any other way.

absolutely not- your example with coin is correct, same goes with roulette ball- every spin is a new spin- ball/coin has no memory, so chances are always 50/50 (-house edge on roulette), however with slots it's totally different- they are programmed to payout 80% (or any other amount depending slot operators, however there are rules lets say in our country, that slots cannot payout less than 70%) so as long as slot is set to payout 80% it will payout 80%, no one knows when exactly this will happen, since there's an rng chip in the slot, but it will eventually payout- so when u have the numbers in front of your eyes (and slot attendants do)- you can see which slot is due to payout more that it will collect- lets look at the numbers: u see that slot collected 10.000, but has only payed out 3.000, so only 30% payout...way less than it's programmed, so basically you know that slot will give back another 5.000 (50%)- because it has memory opposite to roulette ball/coin, so what u want to do when u find this slot- sit until it gives the money back- it might happen that it will collect another 10.000 before paying out anything, but u can be sure that as long as you/your firned is occupying this seat u will get your money back and make a profit...

     
  1-Feb-13, 16:12   #13
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gmgm 
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rng in the slots , yes on 500s not 70 awp these are percentage based

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if u press start on 2 roulette terminals next to eachother, you get same number, so put 5 on black on one and 10 on red on other you will get more blacks than reds, roulette is percentage based in video format yes there is an rng but its not honest you can prove this to yourself by conducting above experiment, i put the term rng as same category as toothfairy its just software designed to mess with your head and make you think you have a chance like a lure to a fish , i have nothing to prove, i as just trying to enlighten how things actually are. Tongue

Edited by gmgm (Friday, February 01, 2013 @ 16:22 GMT)


     
  1-Feb-13, 16:49   #14
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marqis 

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Posted by pochui:
however with slots it's totally different- they are programmed to payout 80% (or any other amount depending slot operators, however there are rules lets say in our country, that slots cannot payout less than 70%) so as long as slot is set to payout 80% it will payout 80%, no one knows when exactly this will happen, since there's an rng chip in the slot, but it will eventually payout- so when u have the numbers in front of your eyes (and slot attendants do)- you can see which slot is due to payout more that it will collect- lets look at the numbers: u see that slot collected 10.000, but has only payed out 3.000, so only 30% payout...way less than it's programmed, so basically you know that slot will give back another 5.000 (50%)- because it has memory opposite to roulette ball/coin, so what u want to do when u find this slot- sit until it gives the money back- it might happen that it will collect another 10.000 before paying out anything, but u can be sure that as long as you/your firned is occupying this seat u will get your money back and make a profit...

If the rule is to pay out no less than 70%, a random 80% will conform to these rules. It is only when the rule is limited to within a certain period of time, it would maybe not conform sometimes. Maybe some laws require such a nonsensical rule to be built in, and this would lead to the edge you speak about, I don't know.

The "gamblers fallacy" explanation seems more likely to me. I've not yet seen the software for these machines, so I can't be sure. But I'd venture a guess, that most gamblers that support these theories haven't either, making it a matter of conjecture.

Theories about how to win at gambling are abundant, but I only know of one that really worked (counting cards, making it a slightly +EV game).

Besides, does a mechanical slot machine remember the payout? Or are these illegal nowadays?

Edited by marqis (Friday, February 01, 2013 @ 16:58 GMT)


     
  1-Feb-13, 17:15   #15
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uhhcallmi 

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lett me clear up some things for you guys on slots..since we have them in holland for over 30 years on every corner of the street..(cafe,restaurants,bars,disco's , petrolstations,cinema's)

in earlier days slots payout was regulated to a certain percentage payout..around 70%
and it was easy to make a living out of them...nowadays almost impossible(like climing the himalaya on your own)

however if you play 10 minutes and win 100 euro,, that;s absolutely not 70% payout, but way more.

if you lose 300euro in 3 hours.. that''s also not 70% payout , but big,big lose..

this percentage thing ,you have to see on the long term...on the long term the slot if its 70%payout..this means it will keep 30 procent and give 70% back to the players..

But since whenever we play ...it all comes down to a moment where you play..you can throw those
payoutpercentages out the window..

it all comes down to timing....if the slot has taken enough,,the chance it will pay out is just bigger..
some always pay when their full, some always payout randomly.

How ,this works in online casino's is another thing...and i think you can only find out by ..or working at such casino and have inside info ,or invest huge amounts of cash.play them and find out if you can find a patron or payoutfrequencie,,where you can have an edge..

One should also know ,that 1 machine is not the same as the other,,and payoutpatrons can be very different from slot to slot.

If you ask me..don't waist your time and money...stay away from slots..or gambling where you can't have a single % extra edge for yourself.

     
  1-Feb-13, 17:32   #16
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djpremier 
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I really don't believe the machines count the payouts and if it's paid out more than gamblers have put in , it will stop giving winnings - _ -

It's about the probability of a certain winning combination and the amount player will win when hitting one..

Let's assume there's a combination that you'll hit 10% of your spins in the long run ..
If the return% is 90, then you will win 9€ with a 1€ wager... That don't mean the machine stops paying if you win 10times in a row... or that it's more likely to win if you lose 100 spins in a row...

Just like Jess said I don't see any reason the machines would be "fixed" because pure maths makes players lose their 10% and if they were fixed, they would be exploited ...


     
  1-Feb-13, 17:44   #17
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gmgm 
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Posted by djpremier:
I really don't believe the machines count the payouts and if it's paid out more than gamblers have put in , it will stop giving winnings - _ -

It's about the probability of a certain winning combination and the amount player will win when hitting one..

Let's assume there's a combination that you'll hit 10% of your spins in the long run ..
If the return% is 90, then you will win 9� with a 1� wager... That don't mean the machine stops paying if you win 10times in a row... or that it's more likely to win if you lose 100 spins in a row...

Just like Jess said I don't see any reason the machines would be "fixed" because pure maths makes players lose their 10% and if they were fixed, they would be exploited ...


the machine always wins overall and when the percenrtage is depleeted and the machine is'on its arse' and u cannot win again until some idiot rams his giro in then u can expect to harvest 70 for every 100 put in, i depend on losers and addicts to provide me with excess percentage to scrape down until its 'on its arse' again i only play select machines and not all of them just the ones that im completely in tune ith the software. a behind bandit can take 130 pound for a board with a value of no more than a pound , this point is where it starts to come into life i like to see 80 in after this.

     
  2-Feb-13, 10:10   #18
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remco2504 
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Posted by pochui:
Posted by marqis:
I've never played slot machines, so I don't know how they work, but I will put it to you, that anyone claiming they can beat them, knows even less...

every normal punter will not beat slots in the long run, but every monkey could be a long term winning player if they were put at slots by one who knows the "inside info".
what i'm saying: slots attendants take the info about how much money has been put in the slot and how much it has paid out at every shift, sometimes even couple of times- meaning they know which slots have paid over the set payout (lets say owner sets this to 80%- so slot can be at a state where it paid out 95%, or even in the negative zone, meaning it paid out more that gamblers put in it) and more importantly they know which slots paid out way less then they due to pay - lets say reading the numbers u see that slot has only paid out 30% of what it collected, wouldn't u want to jump in on it knowing that in the long term this slot is programmed to payout regular 80% or anything else...i can back my sayings with facts- i worked as a slot attendant, and we constantly had a slot or two which were due to payout...whoever played it for a long enough period would go away witha profit...


This due to payout thing is just a myth because i have played slots for a long time and spend a long time in slot halls we have here in the Netherlands.There where times when you can put hundreds of euro's in a slot and it would keep giving little prizes and you never seem to get anywhere.At these times i thought well i put in that much now the slot must be due to pay....NOT
And then there where other days i payed out a big win on a slot and an hour later someone else does the same and the next day another one all on the same slot...

It really would be weird if there was something like due to pay because then the game would be beatable and with a bit of inside information you can always win..
NO thats why they dont just fill up and pay out ...that would be to easy.
They sometimes pay out 5 times in a week and sometimes go 5 weeks without doing much.

     
  2-Feb-13, 11:20   #19
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Posted by remco2504:
This due to payout thing is just a myth because i have played slots for a long time...

you do understand that this is no argument right?
i'm saying the facts, not opinion- i know this info, cause i have been an insider, i've opened a hell lot of slots, fixed minor technical issues, reloaded the hardware inside the slots, constantly monitored cash-in/ cash-out situation of every slot etc.- and now u'r telling me that what i'm talking is pretty much bullsh1t just because you played for a long time, so u know better?
and by the way: knowing inside information makes u a winning player/ investor/etc at every situation- think of stock trading (just knowing what company is going to announce a day earlier than the mass public, makes u a sure long term winner), sports betting (fixed games- and info about it), slots (cash-in, cash-out info of the slot)....the list could go on and on...but this info is illegal, so u always take additional risk, you can be caught and go to jail...anyways it's a classic situation: higher risk- higher reward...

     
  2-Feb-13, 13:44   #20
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remco2504 
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Posted by pochui:
Posted by remco2504:
This due to payout thing is just a myth because i have played slots for a long time...

you do understand that this is no argument right?
i'm saying the facts, not opinion- i know this info, cause i have been an insider, i've opened a hell lot of slots, fixed minor technical issues, reloaded the hardware inside the slots, constantly monitored cash-in/ cash-out situation of every slot etc.- and now u'r telling me that what i'm talking is pretty much bullsh1t just because you played for a long time, so u know better?
and by the way: knowing inside information makes u a winning player/ investor/etc at every situation- think of stock trading (just knowing what company is going to announce a day earlier than the mass public, makes u a sure long term winner), sports betting (fixed games- and info about it), slots (cash-in, cash-out info of the slot)....the list could go on and on...but this info is illegal, so u always take additional risk, you can be caught and go to jail...anyways it's a classic situation: higher risk- higher reward...


Its inside information right ?? Well with thousands of slot operators around the world you think this "secret" will never come out.

Inside information makes you a winner ...right...you compare stocks with inside info about slots ??
Cmon dude dont you think there would be way to much fraud if such a thing excist..

Just because you opened/refilled/reset a few slots doesnt mean you know how to beat slots.
Why arent you playing them right now if you can beat them.Just call some casino employe ..ask for some inside info about what slot will payout and you be rich !!

BS i dito


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Posted by pochui:
Posted by remco2504:
This due to payout thing is just a myth because i have played slots for a long time...

you do understand that this is no argument right?
i'm saying the facts, not opinion- i know this info, cause i have been an insider, i've opened a hell lot of slots, fixed minor technical issues, reloaded the hardware inside the slots, constantly monitored cash-in/ cash-out situation of every slot etc.- and now u'r telling me that what i'm talking is pretty much bullsh1t just because you played for a long time, so u know better?
and by the way: knowing inside information makes u a winning player/ investor/etc at every situation- think of stock trading (just knowing what company is going to announce a day earlier than the mass public, makes u a sure long term winner), sports betting (fixed games- and info about it), slots (cash-in, cash-out info of the slot)....the list could go on and on...but this info is illegal, so u always take additional risk, you can be caught and go to jail...anyways it's a classic situation: higher risk- higher reward...


Its inside information right ?? Well with thousands of slot operators around the world you think this "secret" will never come out.

Inside information makes you a winner ...right...you compare stocks with inside info about slots ??
Cmon dude dont you think there would be way to much fraud if such a thing excist..

Just because you opened/refilled/reset a few slots doesnt mean you know how to beat slots.
Why arent you playing them right now if you can beat them.Just call some casino employe ..ask for some inside info about what slot will payout and you be rich !!

BS i dito

     
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