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Posted by 4_the_W:
Posted by Mysik86: Other case is when you have IT from different ISP, and more frequent situation is that you have 2 computers - one with direct internet (LAN, wireless etc) and one with mobile connection. This is where you have 2 different IP from 2 different pools from 2 different ISP. And this is almost impossible to detect.
Wrong again. You can have 5 ISP, Adress is the same, even you have different IPs. Open Google, search IP tracer, is public, but you cand do that, using your PC, DOS commands. More to explain...
Looool... how you can have the same address with different providers with different PC/laptops? It's totally insane... The IP tracer shows location from ISP, not your physical location... For me - if I connect via LAN I show one location, and when I connect via mobile phone, the location is more than 300km further...
Posted by 4_the_W:
Posted by Mysik86: But I know, that PokerStars checks the connection between accounts... so if bingo A win some $ and it will transfer it to bingo B, PS may ban both account, if they don't provide valid documents. I have similar situation a few years ago, when some of my friends play and earn no-deposit bonus, and then they transfer their cash to me... PS wanted my valid ID and IDs of my friends too... but it was acceptable situation, so PokerStars don't ban neither of us.
If i win @5$ and transfer to another account, and from there i will play 5$ buy-in, and in time i will win someting, than withdraw, don't think they will look back... They don't check present problem, like those multiple accounts... :-j
No... because they check it at moment you transfer from account to account... And yes - they looked back - the situation I wrote above was week/month after transfer...
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Posted by Mysik86: No... because they check it at moment you transfer from account to account... And yes - they looked back - the situation I wrote above was week/month after transfer...
OK. I don't know about that, coz i wasn't in this situation, so i have to trust you. But i don't think it will be hard to find a friend to send them some scanned papers.
So it will be like this: i make another account, i don't give any infos, or if i will do, it will be wrong, and if i win, i will change all infos, with some friends, girl or parents names, adress, from their IP. Trust me, if i wanna cheat, i will find a good way.
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OK... but time etc, which your load into this operation will be not proportional to the effect. It will be really unprofitable on low stakes... If you win $5-10 and you have to change so many info, and with different people, you don't do it
PS. Notice that the info change is on their logs, so it will be suspicious
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Posted by Mysik86: OK... but time etc, which your load into this operation will be not proportional to the effect. It will be really unprofitable on low stakes... If you win $5-10 and you have to change so many info, and with different people, you don't do it
PS. Notice that the info change is on their logs, so it will be suspicious
I would not worry about lost time , but what I got to do .... I have presented here only a hypothetical situation , not a fact!
Posted by Mysik86: Looool... how you can have the same address with different providers with different PC/laptops? It's totally insane... The IP tracer shows location from ISP, not your physical location... For me - if I connect via LAN I show one location, and when I connect via mobile phone, the location is more than 300km further...
IP is your internet address, according to your real address/location. So is the same. Even a provider has IP like 89, other 105, other 210, second class is Country, next class is City, next class Street, ect. , according to their way of making this. But this is international accord. If you see your location 300 km away, is b/c there is provider station/antena. But if you are reaaly lookin for the real adress, it could be find, not necesary to be the provider. You need some addons and some skills.
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You took a lot of your time trying to spot such players. And while reporting them, may have done the trick, nothing tells you that its not going to happen again.
You have a point on whos getting the prize and why, and that, they may steal your spot from the leaderboard, but at the end its a low prize freeroll. Nothing is going to change no matter how you try. So do your best and beat those donks ingame
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Posted by 4_the_W:
IP is your internet address, according to your real address/location. So is the same. Even a provider has IP like 89, other 105, other 210, second class is Country, next class is City, next class Street, ect. , according to their way of making this. But this is international accord. If you see your location 300 km away, is b/c there is provider station/antena.
No, no, no... The IP locators shows adress of the closest node. So if you live in, eg. village A and node is in village B, the locator shows adress of village B. Only ISP has adresses of their clients. We don't have GPS on our computers for now
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Posted by Mysik86: No, no, no... The IP locators shows adress of the closest node. So if you live in, eg. village A and node is in village B, the locator shows adress of village B. Only ISP has adresses of their clients. We don't have GPS on our computers for now
OK man, wtv you say. I don't wanna argue with you. I see you are very opinionated.
Posted by Mysik86: No, no, no... The IP locators shows adress of the closest node. So if you live in, eg. village A and node is in village B, the locator shows adress of village B.
I already said that, look up!!! I din't say anything about GPS in your PC. I said every provider has a system location of customers. Subject closed!
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I don't want to argue too... sorry
I only want to tell, that tracing multiply account is not so simple as people thinking... It cost lot of time - and it's not affordable in low-stakes/freerolls. So better options is tracing transfers/cashouts - there are only few % of these transactions, so they're automatically easier to trace
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3 things guys......
1) If PokerStars is able to issue tickets, or has some way to detect duplicate accounts without too much trouble,....then that will take care of the BULK of the Cheaters. In other words,...most of them will be blocked, and ALL of the non-members will be blocked.
***IT'S EASIER to get to the money (position 117) if you only have to battle 2,000 players, than battling 6,500 players...
2) Look through the list at the beginning of this thread,....if you see any of those players who are MEMBERS HERE at BankrollMob,.....REPORT THEM to BOTH PokerStars AND BankrollMob. And post their name(s) right here...
3) Here is the latest list of CHEATERS. Copy this list and send it to BOTH these email address. And COMPLAIN to them to remove the cheaters, and fix the problem so as to PREVENT it from happening in the first place. If they keep getting bombarded with 100s of these emails EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG, maybe they will FIX the problem
Lotus0590 Ukraine Lotus7979 ......................... lukian777 Romania lukian77777 ........................... Liviu0693 Romania liviu1212 liviu2424 liviu7 ............................ iceangel0422 Romania iceangel0423 iceangel1986 .......................... igla606 Russia Igla666 .......................... incesantpag Argentina incesantpok ......................... ionutz1444 Romania ionutzzzRO ................... iShuMa Belarus iShuMKa ............................................................................................. PauloAlcLope Portugal PauloMartin9 Paulo Paulo ............................................................
Alexius2701 Alexxx2701 ........................ Ke-Delicia Brazil Kee-Delicia ........................................................................................... giosan19 Colombia giosan89 ........................... ilona0624 Hungary Ilona1948 ................... Men_RUS66 Russia Men_RUS96 ....................... pufosu100 Romania pufulica10 ..................... Puka26 Romania Puky25 ..................... sergiu589 Moldova Sergiu985 ............................................................................................. BankrollMob 9:00am Eastern Feb4/2013
007mariuca Romania 007morandi .......................... 01237 Belarus 01238 ........................ 3BlackJack3 3JackBlack3 ..................... 7777563 Ukraine 7777801 ....................... Archi-Tomsk Russia Archi62Rus ........................ armagedon303 Ukraine armagedon901 ........................... ASTERTON Russia ASTLIST ......................... babaika lp Ukraine babaika ss ....................... bullet1tooth United Kingdom bulletace88 ...................... chlochan Ireland chlochan1 ............................ dondrakon85 Ukraine dondrakon985 ............................ dtxtik Armenia dtxtik79 ............................ galkin kent Russia galkinamaria ........................... gyuresz310 Hungary gyuszko05 ......................... igor68.71 Kazakhstan igor68sport ........................ ilsurez Russia ilsurez1 ..................... katya.dizain Ukraine Katya1788 ........................ MyseraKamil Poland Myserk ..................... NsK-KaT9 Russia NsK-Zemka ...................... pablosanjua Argentina pabloselman ....................... Tolik559 Russia tolik710 ....................... vanik77 Russia vanik777
**** ALSO,....anybody see Blinky out there somewhere,........ I'm worried he's CHOKED on the schnitzel he was eating last night..... lol...
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Wow you are really mad behind reason imo but nevertheless you have a point. It's true, i've played ocasionally BRM freerolls and there's not way that all of those players are members, in fact i guess only like 20/30% are? That can't be helpful for BRM site at all, and the ticket idea is not bad. People could get tickets or a permission to play when they register to the site or something dunno.. but i agree with you.
Regarding the cheating, unfortunatly every game has cheaters. In poker it's obviously more harmful because there is money involved, and because of this same reason there will be always more people trying to take advantage and finding shortcuts to win easy money.
Anyways i think it's a relevant topic and i hope something good comes out of it.
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You really made an extensive research on this, i congratulate you for that. BRM already said it was difficult for them to do more about this subject than they are already doing. Let's just hope that PS can also work on our side so that BRM freerolls can have only mobsters playing them.
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I KNOW something can be done.....!!!
There are LOTS of freerolls under the 'Private' tab that when you click on them a little box pops up and says either:
'You are not permitted to enter this tournamnet' or 'You do not have the ticket for this tournament' or 'This tournaments is for blah blah members only'
All BRM has to do is contact pokerstars and ask them to set that sort of thing up between the 2. It can be done for dozens of OTHER sites and clubs,...why not BRM. There IS NO reason why not....NONE!!!
...and if BRM wants to attract more members, then they SHOULD have it that way,...if people want the password, they'll have to join.
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One more thing,....it's obvious that some member here,...or management is publishing the passwords on those freeroll sites.
Only an IDIOT would publish those passwords only to create MORE competition for themselves...
WHY would somebody want to play against 6,000 instead of 2,000....and make it harder for yourself to win???....there's only 117 winning places,...and the prize doesn't grow with more entrants...!!!
Probably someone who owns those FacebookFreeroll sites is a member here, gets the pass, and puts it on their OWN freeroll page and make money from all the visitors...
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With the money sites are making, they dont bother with such issues most of the time. Why waste time on whos playing a 50$ freeroll. They probably do all the checks when those players request a cash out. And im pretty sure most of them getting banned.
Posted by Mober: With the money sites are making, they dont bother with such issues most of the time. Why waste time on whos playing a 50$ freeroll. They probably do all the checks when those players request a cash out. And im pretty sure most of them getting banned.
Nice straw man argument! The security is already in place for all the other games they offer. If anything by having different games subject to different levels of security makes everything less secure. Anytime you add complexity to a system you add more places for Murphy to extract his revenge.
