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Do you think BRM members copying articles from other sites is a problem? Yes 6 43% No 3 21% Not sure 5 36% (14 votes)
3-Feb-13, 15:20 #1 Copy/Pasting info into BRM as a forum post 0 mahdrof
Joined: Nov '09 Location: Canada Age: 43 (M) Posts: 1702 After an absence of three or four months, I resumed posting and visiting BRM recently and one thing I have noticed a LOT of is members copying material from other poker sites, and then pasting it into a forum post without referring to the source, and without adding anything personal to the information. I called out one newcomer on it a couple of days ago, and I have noticed one regular poster who only starts threads by copying info from other sites. Is it a big deal? It does give forum members something to discuss, information which otherwise might not be posted as "poker news", but some other members are also starting to call out these guys over this outright plagiarism. What do you think? Edited by mahdrof (Sunday, February 03, 2013 @ 15:21 GMT)
3-Feb-13, 15:25 #2 0 KowKain Joined: Feb '11 Location: Slovenia Age: 22 (M) Posts: 9 I agree with you. There's no problem in using other people's material if you refferr to it's original source. It's common courtesy and also ethical.
Boost your moralle, world!
3-Feb-13, 15:49 #3 0 jovicakralj
Joined: Nov '10 Location: Serbia Age: 26 (M) Posts: 1833 Hey mahd! Long time no see Sup?
3-Feb-13, 16:06 #4 0 Administrator
Joined: Aug '07 Location: Malta Age: 34 (M) Posts: 7000 If it's a big problem, then I'm very surprised why *nobody* reports the actual copy-pasted posts to us?
It's obvious when somebody is copy/pasting stuff just to get points and we always remove those and take away the points as well, usually within the same day.
3-Feb-13, 16:08 #5 0 Greenmohave
Joined: Jan '11 Location: United States Age: 49 (M) Posts: 2738 First off, great to see you back in the forum and that goes jovica also.
As you've stated, to use others material it should be referenced or at least state they're using otherwise copying material from someone or somewhere else.
Personally I can't stand it when you can tell it was written from a proffessional and not saying some people don't have the capability. I've just seen / read some things that look as if it came straight out of a book.
Take care mahdrof and hope to see you more often.
3-Feb-13, 16:09 #6 0 djpremier Joined: Dec '10 Location: Finland Age: 20 (M) Posts: 150 Well I have also noticed that, including that regular poster .. I think that the poster should refer to the original source.. I mean without doing this they are just making threads using other people's material to earn mob points
3-Feb-13, 16:15 #7 0 awood88 Joined: Feb '08 Location: United Kingdom Age: 24 (M) Posts: 1766 I think I know which member you are referring to as I've noticed most of their threads are copied news articles but this same member does reply to other threads and at least it's not brain dead copy-pasting of meaningless introductions or old posts, the kind where you see "the article above" or "this thursday is" with no date.
In general, I think sharing pokernews is probably a good thing but it is plagiarism and the very least they should do is comment on it and say this is what I found on another site. But putting a link to that site or naming it is probably against brm rules as it's advertising a competitor so this is not so straight-forward. So maybe it is better to plagiarize than to break rules or not share anything interesting from any source.
3-Feb-13, 16:45 #8 0 mahdrof
Joined: Nov '09 Location: Canada Age: 43 (M) Posts: 1702 Posted by jovicakralj: Hey mahd! Long time no see Sup?
Yo Jovica!
------------ Posted by Administrator: It's obvious when somebody is copy/pasting stuff just to get points and we always remove those and take away the points as well, usually within the same day.
With all due respect, the guy has over 200 threads that are all copy/paste from other sites, often several in the same day.
------------ Posted by awood88: I think I know which member you are referring to as I've noticed most of their threads are copied news articles but this same member does reply to other threads and at least it's not brain dead copy-pasting of meaningless introductions or old posts, the kind where you see "the article above" or "this thursday is" with no date.
In general, I think sharing pokernews is probably a good thing but it is plagiarism and the very least they should do is comment on it and say this is what I found on another site. But putting a link to that site or naming it is probably against brm rules as it's advertising a competitor so this is not so straight-forward. So maybe it is better to plagiarize than to break rules or not share anything interesting from any source.
This is along the lines of how I feel as well, however the guy could put some more effort into it, otherwise what's to prevent everyone from copying stuff from other sites and starting threads and collecting points without working a single brain cell? Edited by mahdrof (Sunday, February 03, 2013 @ 16:49 GMT)
3-Feb-13, 16:50 #9 0 pochui
Joined: May '08 Location: Lithuania Age: 28 (M) Posts: 2221 Hello all the wonderful mobsters out there, this is your friend pochui from Lithuania, somewhere near the sea writing to you, wish a good day to each and everyone of you.
copy-paste huh....what a shame...dunno haven't seen anyone doing it lately...
I am very happy to be a part of such a great community, wish you the best of luck at the tables, off the tables, behind the tables, under the tables and in your life in general. Yours truly pochui, somewhere near the sea, Lithuania
3-Feb-13, 16:54 #10 0 takingdrugs Joined: Nov '11 Location: United Kingdom Age: 29 (M) Posts: 350 Posted by pochui: Hello all the wonderful mobsters out there, this is your friend pochui from Lithuania, somewhere near the sea writing to you, wish a good day to each and everyone of you.
copy-paste huh....what a shame...dunno haven't seen anyone doing it lately...
I am very happy to be a part of such a great community, wish you the best of luck at the tables, off the tables, behind the tables, under the tables and in your life in general. Yours truly pochui, somewhere near the sea, Lithuania
haha, pochui takes all those pictures himself isnt that right
3-Feb-13, 17:18 #11 0 pochui
Joined: May '08 Location: Lithuania Age: 28 (M) Posts: 2221 Posted by takingdrugs: haha, pochui takes all those pictures himself isnt that right
absolutely, i can give you the contacts of all the girls (if u transfer $1000 to my stars account first)
3-Feb-13, 17:26 #12 0 Administrator
Joined: Aug '07 Location: Malta Age: 34 (M) Posts: 7000 Posted by mahdrof:
With all due respect, the guy has over 200 threads that are all copy/paste from other sites, often several in the same day.
Why doesn't anybody report some of them, when we don't notice them?
3-Feb-13, 17:34 #13 0 pochui
Joined: May '08 Location: Lithuania Age: 28 (M) Posts: 2221 Posted by Administrator: Why doesn't anybody report some of them, when we don't notice them?
just wondering what would happen if i report admin's post- i see the report button anyways...maybe i would be entered to weekly mobdraw for free
3-Feb-13, 17:42 #14 0 PixBJelovar Joined: Apr '11 Location: Croatia Age: 21 (M) Posts: 43 if article is good but copy paste there is nothing wrong about it.i use only this site and i like to read what members post ,u get just 10,20 points u need lot of copy pasting it is not worth it
3-Feb-13, 17:55 #15 0 Administrator
Joined: Aug '07 Location: Malta Age: 34 (M) Posts: 7000 Obviously there comes a time where it's not "worth it" for us to deal with it. We can't possible monitor everything and we are not the Internet Cops either. If we notice someone is clearly copy/pasting with the intent of earning MobPoints, then we delete it and remove points. If we don't see it, and nobody reports it, then it will stay.
I'm sure that sometimes something gets copy/pasted in here which we don't see and/or act on, but the user who posts it might do it to start a discussion and not with the sole purpose of earning Mob Points. In that case, it's not such a big deal, again, because we are not Internet Cops and we don't have unlimited resources to deal with everything, so we have to prioritize.
3-Feb-13, 18:09 #16 0 mahdrof
Joined: Nov '09 Location: Canada Age: 43 (M) Posts: 1702 Posted by Administrator: Obviously there comes a time where it's not "worth it" for us to deal with it. We can't possible monitor everything and we are not the Internet Cops either. If we notice someone is clearly copy/pasting with the intent of earning MobPoints, then we delete it and remove points. If we don't see it, and nobody reports it, then it will stay.
I'm sure that sometimes something gets copy/pasted in here which we don't see and/or act on, but the user who posts it might do it to start a discussion and not with the sole purpose of earning Mob Points. In that case, it's not such a big deal, again, because we are not Internet Cops and we don't have unlimited resources to deal with everything, so we have to prioritize.
I can understand that.
3-Feb-13, 19:21 #17 0 Mober Joined: Mar '09 Location: Greece Age: 35 (F) Posts: 3293 I believe its a bit obvious when this is going on. Its clearly that it is an article taken from somewhere else, and while if its a personal one you can post the author, if its a post from a forum you cant do that for the obvious hammer reasons Bottom line either you post the author or dont post the article at all. I agree with mahdrof on this
3-Feb-13, 19:35 #18 0 teddybears73 Joined: Nov '11 Location: United Kingdom Age: 55 (M) Posts: 813 i don't think it's a problem, because if someone does this then it's giving people a chance to read it who would have otherwise missed the original article,i think however that they should mention this at the bottom of their own article.
3-Feb-13, 20:15 #19 0 RoninHarper Joined: Nov '12 Location: Canada Age: 44 (M) Posts: 542 Posted by mahdrof: After an absence of three or four months, I resumed posting and visiting BRM recently and one thing I have noticed a LOT of is members copying material from other poker sites, and then pasting it into a forum post without referring to the source, and without adding anything personal to the information. I called out one newcomer on it a couple of days ago, and I have noticed one regular poster who only starts threads by copying info from other sites. Is it a big deal? It does give forum members something to discuss, information which otherwise might not be posted as "poker news", but some other members are also starting to call out these guys over this outright plagiarism. What do you think?
G'day mate
I could not help but laugh when i read this post as i immediately thought about all the cut and paste post from one particular mobster who only seem to post that way. But we will not mention any names mr S????888
Have you also noticed that almost all there post should be posting under a news type thread but they are always in our poker threads. I personal write all my post and I do not general us cut and paste. I am using cut and paste for my short story post since I write them using my word processor.
Be cool and best of luck at the tables. Ronin
4-Feb-13, 07:23 #20 0 retribution
Joined: Mar '11 Location: Canada Age: 33 (M) Posts: 1311 Well the biggest reason why you should be concerned about the copy/paste people, is how it affects BRM in the search engines. Forums that have lot's of posts with copied content wild end up getting the site flagged as hosting a lot of duplicate content.
It might not be too hard to check new posts against say, copyscape via a script. Would make things a lot easier for admin.
As for not citing reference, that's a big no-no. I mean, if you're going to rip someone off, at least give them some recognition.
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I thought about this issue since I created this post, and although the information put forth in these copied posts is of interest to other BRM members, I voted that YES it is a problem. My 9 year old son was recently working on his first "serious" project for school, and when I saw how quickly he had finished I looked it over and realized it was simply a copy/paste job. I then explained to him why this is wrong and how easy it is for his teacher to check (copy/paste a suspect phrase where the grammar is perfect and the choice of words a bit advanced into Google) and PRESTO the source is revealed and you get an "F" on your project. Quoting a source is one thing, presenting an article and expounding on it is another, and plagiarism for me is simply wrong: it is theft.
