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Today i got 2 premium hands crushed all in pre-flop. Both against aggressive donks and in both i was sure to be ahead ( AQs against J3os and AKos against Q3os to be precise). In both i lose at the flop and they got the final laugh but that's ok. I can easily lend them $1 to make them happy for a while before taking it back again. Those guys playing like that be sure they'll lose everything sooner or later.
In the same session i also sucked out several times making trips and straights in the river so it goes both ways m8. I would like to think that i win 80% of my hands holding the best hand from the beginning but that would be just wishful thinking. It's more than half thou... and that's what separates me from them.
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Sure its rigged. In my favor though. I've played quite some hands, my favorite is ofcourse 72o. Ive cracked so many AA with it, I cant even bother. (sarcasm off)
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the site - it's YOUR image, YOUR betsizing, YOUR position, YOUR read on another, YOUR aggresion/passsiveness, YOUR table selection, YOUR stacksize... I could go on and on. Would like to know, though, how many of you accusers have played more than 10k hands there? Just stop thinking just cause u got AA, youre invincible, or if you flop a set, u can't get outdrawn.
Here, find comfort in my graph:
------------ PS: How do you make the damned picture bigger in size.. Its horrible resolution..
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Posted by KowKain: Sure its rigged. In my favor though. I've played quite some hands, my favorite is ofcourse 72o. Ive cracked so many AA with it, I cant even bother. (sarcasm off)
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the site - it's YOUR image, YOUR betsizing, YOUR position, YOUR read on another, YOUR aggresion/passsiveness, YOUR table selection, YOUR stacksize... I could go on and on. Would like to know, though, how many of you accusers have played more than 10k hands there? Just stop thinking just cause u got AA, youre invincible, or if you flop a set, u can't get outdrawn.
Here, find comfort in my graph:
------------ PS: How do you make the damned picture bigger in size.. Its horrible resolution..
All those YOUR's of you dont mean anything if you get bad beats every time you are ahead. I mean if you get the money in while you are ahead its a good thing ...right ?? Doesnt have anything to do with all those YOUR's of you... And people catching 2 outers on you all the time also doesnt have anything to do with what you saying..
Only thing i agree on is that people who played less the 10K hands should say nothing. But i think anyone who plays regularly has played at least 100K hands. I played a few million and still i am not convinced...
Edited by remco2504 (13 February 2013 @ 13:16 GMT)
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Posted by my_bankroll: So what are you saying remco .... you think its legit?
Like i said ..i am still not convinced. I been on the fence on this one for years now.
Very hard to say if its just the dynamics of the game or if its something else. I am not going to discuss this rigged thing for to long ..have done enough of that in the past There is something to say about it not beeing rigged and about it beeing rigged.
I mean you really start doubting yourself when you get amazing bad beats at crucial points in mtt's all the time ... or you win a few small hands in cash games but almost every big hand you play you get a bad beat against you..
Again its hard to say even after playing a few million hands...
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good day everyone I am from eastern europe but I have the same problem.Few days ago I played two tourneys.I lost in both.I had two aces in each tourney and I was beat by K 3 in one tourney and A J in another. I always loved 2 Aces but after those tourneys I am like...2 aces hm not bad(nothing special) So I think nothing strange with PS.Everyone has to deal with it. Good luck!
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Posted by Peremoha: good day everyone I am from eastern europe but I have the same problem.Few days ago I played two tourneys.I lost in both.I had two aces in each tourney and I was beat by K 3 in one tourney and A J in another. I always loved 2 Aces but after those tourneys I am like...2 aces hm not bad(nothing special) So I think nothing strange with PS.Everyone has to deal with it. Good luck!
So you base whole of your opinion about PS on two tourneys ?
Please come back after you played 3000 tourneys...
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And kow kain there's always gonna be a kiss as bitch like u who defends that site and I love the way u go on like ur the greatest player to grace the planet ...ur exactly the type of donk that if I played in any casino you would leave broke and I'm 100% sure of that ... so what your saying its not possible that a internet poker site like poker stars or any other big online poker site to rig the software to make themselves 100s of millions of dollars extra than what they already do ?
------------ Thank you remco your comments make sense
------------ Like remco said its one of them things everyone suspects but can't actually be certain .....kow kain your either a stupid idiot or ur deluded or a bit of both to think its not possible.
Edited by my_bankroll (13 February 2013 @ 15:35 GMT)
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@my_bankroll
Please don't play on any site you suspect of being rigged, nor play in any live game you think there's cheating going on.
Other than that I can't absolutely be certain that online poker isn't rigged - but I believe scams would happen on other site sooner than PS. I understand youre insulted, and your ego is shattered cause of a few bad beats, but deal with it or try to earn money in other areas. Understand that you're still gambling after all, and as said many times before:
!!CHANCE outcomes don't always work out as predicted!!
Calling me 'stupid' for making decisions, based on my experience with the site and poker overall only shows your intellectual deficit and an unwillingness to study the game in depth.
It's allright, you posted this so someone can fuel your fire, so you won't feel so alone, bad, sad.. whatever you feel. I completely understand your irrationality and also urge you to try and think logically (for a change).
P.S : you insulted me twice. That clearly indicates your emotionaly so not ready to deal with this.. good luck mate
@remco
I guess you're also microstakes player, like myself. Get this: people gambe, dont know, dont give a f**k or are otherwise incapable of playing normally. Also when it comes to MTTs, the whole variance there is encapsulated into a single tourney, meaning you will experience rough ride nearly every single time. But IMO, the same variance that kicks you OOTM, will eventually take you to the final table - hence the 300x buyin prizes.... I was talking more about cash games, but I see we missunderstood eachother since you then talked about MTTs.
------------ Oh yeah, read an article on this forum regarding variance and standard deviation. I believe jessthehuman posted it.
Also regarding my 'YOURS' : saying they don't mean anyhting is just wrong. I won't get into a debate about it. If youre unsure about getting your money in when you're good, then I dunno what to say. But you're never 100% good unless you flop ROYAL.
No-one could benefit by riggin your cards, especially not in MTTs.
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So a house bot cannot benefit by riggin cards in an MTT ??
This is just hypotheticly speaking but if PS has house bots playing in every MTT it would sertainly give them 100dreds of millions more profit a year.And no one could do anything about that if that would be true.In that case they would benefit greatly from rigging cards...
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Really can't argue with someone as great and wonderful as you kow Kain.... your head is so far up your own ass....no wonder you don't see that pokerstars is 100% rigged.
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MTT's have the largest amount of varience out of all types of poker games but if it will make you feel better i was playin 7 card stud yesterday and my made hands got cracked on 7th street bout 12 times by 2-3 outters over a 250 hand or so session
pokerstars must be rigged
------------ although i will say this, DO NOT PLAY HIGH LIMIT STUD ON STARS. there is a couple chinese colluders who always sit together. only thing to really worry about in all honesty on PokerStars is collusion in the cash games. I usually do not sit at a table if there is 2 or more people from the same country on a table. (also note i only play 6 max tables)
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Hey! You win some, you lose some. Thats poker. The question is should you always go all in on a hand when you are playing against a loose butweak player? The answer is not always,..maybe only if you accept the risk of losing as you are now all in and it's down to the cards not you to decide who wins.
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Like you guys already said, the only reason for the site to use rigged software is IF they had "house bots" that take the money from the players back to the site.. But I don't believe PS or any other big site would use these, since they have a hitload of money coming from the rake all day everyday... Especially after the legal issues of FullTilt and others, I don't think the big sites would risk everything by using the bots ...
Please call me naive,foolish or anything but I just don't belive that PS is rigged ... Colluding and stuff like that happens of course, but the site ain't rigged..
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A bit before i was witnessing a funny thing in a ring table i was sitting on. There was this guy which happened to be bulgarian not that it makes any difference to the tale. So he was calling everything, raises re-raises on and off position u name it. I disputed a few pots with him and couldn't shake him off u see. If i had AQ and raised preflop he would still call with 10 6 and hit a 10 on flop or turn. He would call till he hitted and that was happening alot. So after some minutes another bulgarian comes along and they chat like: from $1 to $5! and the other one said bravo bravo. I actually felt sad lol. Here's a guy having a good run and thinking that he'll always win coz its so easy, like he can never miss. like me in my early days haha
In a few days ( if it didn't happen already i dont know) he'll start to lose exactly coz he plays like so and probably will start saying poker is rigged lol.
Just a story i'm sure wont have an happy ending to share with u guys.
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Damosk if it was down to the cards then the statistics should come into play and I should win the right percentage of hands like I do when I play live with a live dealer...don't give me that crap about how I see more hands because if I played the same number of hands live as I did online the outcome isn't the same ........I lose online and I win live so for anyone to turn round and start that variance shyt is a load of bollocks and for anyone to say they wouldn't because the make shyt loads already is a load of bollocks ....like I said in a previous comment uphill hellmuth went on YouTube and claimed why would they do it when they make so much already then few months later the site he was sponsored by was busted for using superusers and why did they use superusers its simple if ur making let's say 100 million a year from a site and you had a rigging program that allowed u to rob players without anyone ever being able to find out for an extra 200 million ...you think these owners wouldn't do it ???? Lol its been done before and its going on now right in front of your noses today on the big sites so anyway good luck to all you guys and I hope you all profit ....my anger isn't with any of you, its with these fat cats who are stealing money from millions of players
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Posted by my_bankroll: Really can't argue with someone as great and wonderful as you kow Kain.... your head is so far up your own ass....no wonder you don't see that pokerstars is 100% rigged.
u cant - cause youre WRonG. And no, u cant argue with me on this one
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And just for the record I don't think its rigged 100% of the time, I'd say around 50% of the time it is and when that RNG wants you out there's f**k all you can do about because it will get out that's the power it has......flop quads and get rivered to a straight flush if it has too
Posted by my_bankroll: And just for the record I don't think its rigged 100% of the time, I'd say around 50% of the time it is and when that RNG wants you out there's f**k all you can do about because it will get out that's the power it has......flop quads and get rivered to a straight flush if it has too
You sound incredibly frustrated by the bad beats you've been experiencing. Everyone gets their from time to time. At times like that it's important to step back from the game regain your balance so that your emotions aren't making the decisions. Only then can you analyze what's been happening and make adjustments.
hitload of money coming from the rake all day everyday...
