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  16-Feb-13, 11:15   #1
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Wayniac99 
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Well was in a tourney sat on 23k blinds 100/200

donk small stack shove 4.5k im sat with kk i call he turns a8 flops house no return for me

next hand sat with qq utg -i raise 4x cut off 6k shove i call he turns a3 off flops straight so in 2 hands llost half my stack to donkeys with raggy aces shoving.

third hand AA in bb utg+1 raise to 1k button shove for 7k i reshove 11k utg +2 calls as he has more chips

UTG +2 turns over KQoff button turns over 79 off flop 68q turn 2 river k so thats it wiped out by donkeys shoving and the software setting it up to pay them off

and all these people that are trying to say these sites are not fixed well think again p.s the donks were from russia, ukraine and poland what a surprise hey

     
  16-Feb-13, 11:38   #2
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pochui 

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  16-Feb-13, 11:54   #3
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RoninHarper 

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G'day mate

Well i have to say I feel your pain. I have been there more than once myself.
I got to ask you if this was a micro buyin tournament or a freeroll?
I am just wondering if these brainiacs even know they was allowed to fold pre flop with trash.

Be cool and try not to let it get you down.

Ronin Cool

     
  16-Feb-13, 11:57   #4
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zeroster 

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There are many ways to try and refute your assertion that it's rigged but experience tells me that I'd be wasting my time. Instead I'll offer a a simple solution. If you really think it's rigged withdraw any money you have on there and don't play again.

Playing on a site that you know is rigged would be stupid wouldn't it?

     
  16-Feb-13, 11:59   #5
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my_bankroll 
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Glad to see its not just me it happens to everyday and believe me you will get these kiss ass poker star bitches defending the site by saying it was your own fault ( bad play ) stop moaning its not rigged....anyone with half a brain cell can see at TIMES the integrity of these sites are at best disgraceful. For me its like playing a slot machine with 75%% of the time you have no way of beating these donks or rigged users ....when that RnG wants you out ...there's fk all u can do.. it will set you up in a way that you can't possibly fold your hand. When I play on pokerstars I see quads on a regular basis and I also see pocket pairs hitting there sets more often than they don't ..... the statics don't add up and I'm 99.9% sure that we are being robbed I'm not talking about hands like AK vs 9 10 I'm talking about hands where I have these babysat donks crushed like AA vs K8.....I even emailed pokerstars last week and said instead of me wasting my time why don't they just email me the details of these babysat donks or rigged users you want to win and I'll go right ahead and send my buy in right to them saves me wasting so many hours only to be donked out by a miracle runner runner...these diks who defend the sites say ohhh but that's poker and it happens....( like I don't know it happens, ive played live for 14 years so I know it happens) it might happen one out of 20 showdowns live but on the internet it will happen 1 out of 5 hands .....

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:01   #6
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RoninHarper 

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Posted by zeroster:
There's a simple solution. If you really think it's rigged withdraw any money you have on there and don't play again.

Playing on a site that you know is rigged would be stupid wouldn't it?


G'day mate

Oh my God zeroster you sir are a frecking genius. I gotta say you are 100% correct.
Why have I never seen that option before. Smile
Can we really just NOT play at a site we thinks is rigged.

LOL be cool mate

good luck to you in all things.

Ronin Cool

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:09   #7
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my_bankroll 
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Why would they rig the software when they make so much money already .....coz there greedy bastards and they will never be happy with how much money they make and if there's a way of making an extra 200 million they will do it...... there's times when its rigged and tines when its not ....coz let's be honest there not that stupid to rig ot100% of the time ....

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:11   #8
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zeroster 

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Posted by RoninHarper:
Posted by zeroster:
There's a simple solution. If you really think it's rigged withdraw any money you have on there and don't play again.

Playing on a site that you know is rigged would be stupid wouldn't it?


G'day mate

Oh my God zeroster you sir are a frecking genius. I gotta say you are 100% correct.
Why have I never seen that option before. Smile
Can we really just NOT play at a site we thinks is rigged.

LOL be cool mate

good luck to you in all things.

Ronin Cool



My hope is that eventually, as they are all the same, they'll work their way through every site and then be forced to quit. Their problems will then be over and we'll have one less rigged thread poster to endure.

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:17   #9
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my_bankroll 
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It can't be proven yet....but one day we will get a whistle blower and all the little kiss ass pokerstar pimps will go into hiding and you won't hear a peep out them. The best advice I can give with the experience I've had I if u see the Russian babysat donks (rigged user) hitting everything I.e cracking aces and kings with 10 3 os just get off the site its not worth it... you can't and wont win... try again another day and you might get lucky and actually play on the site when its rigged software is not being used Big Smile

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:25   #10
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pochui 

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Posted by my_bankroll:
The best advice I can give with the experience I've had I if u see the Russian babysat donks (rigged user) hitting everything I.e cracking aces and kings with 10 3 os just get off the site its not worth it...

so what if it's a Lithuanian babysat donk (rigged user), is the site worth playing then...

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:29   #11
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Wayniac99 
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We know you have got to have bad beats now and again thats fair game but when its happening constantly online either your aa kk getting cracked by s**t or you shove with ak medium pair against an eastern block opponent and you never win then YOU have to admit that software is rigged.

Everyone knows that in a live casino environment 99.9% of these players would NEVER play like they do but because they know its rigged they play whatever 2 they like and ALWAYS or at least 9 times out of 10 hit and win.

Any time these donks want to come risk money in a real casino with a real dealer and real cash in front of them get in touch cos i will gladly send them to the felt time and again

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Also why should we players that think sites are rigged stop playing when we have put enough money on the sites with no reward. WHY should i just give up and say pokerstars/pkr/888 heres my money thanks for the bad beats and see you later.

I cant say its all been bad had a few wins in the hundreds of dollars but still no where near the amount of losses when with the best hand pre and on the flop your still getting beat

Edited by Wayniac99 (Saturday, February 16, 2013 @ 12:33 GMT)


     
  16-Feb-13, 12:34   #12
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zeroster 

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Posted by Wayniac99:


Everyone knows that in a live casino environment 99.9% of these players would NEVER play like they do but because they know its rigged they play whatever 2 they like and ALWAYS or at least 9 times out of 10 hit and win.


Do you not see the circular argument there?

If 99.9% would never play like that in a cas!no then the opportunity for suck outs like that don't happen in a cas!no.

It simply comes down to a case of more donk callers more chance of a suckout.

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:35   #13
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my_bankroll 
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Pocuhi I don't think it actually matters what country there from ....it just seems to happen more with Russian players ..... like I said in previous thread I hope all you guys win and profit. Good luck to you all.



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The owners of the big sites are very clever they don't make 100s of millions a year from being stupid ....they know the psychology behind good players and they know you will keep depositing and keep trying to win your money back .....when really we should give up and cut our losses and wait till a legit site comes about .....maybe a casino group like genting will give us live dealer online poker one day... that would be pretty cool

Edited by my_bankroll (Saturday, February 16, 2013 @ 12:44 GMT)


     
  16-Feb-13, 12:47   #14
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zeroster 

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And you think a live dealer can't be trained to rig a deck of cards. LOL, dream on.

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:51   #15
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my_bankroll 
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More donk callers more chance of losing right...and statistics and odds should not come into play right .....hmm why don't the owners just call the site bingostars

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:51   #16
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AlexSimion 
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Well come on , s**t just happens that's all , and the hand with AA , you were in a 4 way showdown , so there were some good chances that you might lose the hand , it's just bad luck that's all , you guys can't possibly think that a site chooses let's say 584329534 players , and decide to rig the software towards them , the thing with russians is just that they are way to many , and the sad thing is that most of them are world class donkeys , thinking they are actually playing bingo instead of poker , probably because of the cold temperature and too much vodka.

     
  16-Feb-13, 12:53   #17
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my_bankroll 
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Are you serious you think they would train live dealers to rig the cards lololol they would have the whistle blown with in the 1st week.....

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Where as online the rigging is done by software so there no way of it being proven or the software getting fired and blowing the whistle on the site

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Just waiting for my best mate kowkain to come join in the discussion and give his wise ass comments .... Big Smile

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And I'm done with this shyt from now on... it is what is.... hate it or love it...believe it or not....it doesn't really matter and arguing.. is not gonna change anything so let's all just be happy and keep trying our best .....good luck Worship

Edited by my_bankroll (Saturday, February 16, 2013 @ 13:03 GMT)


     
  16-Feb-13, 13:08   #18
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zeroster 

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Posted by my_bankroll:
Are you serious you think they would train live dealers to rig the cards lololol they would have the whistle blown with in the 1st week.....


No I'm not serious, and of course they'd be busted within the first week.

But do you have any idea of how many people it would take to be complicit in a site using rigged software? The coders, the licensing authority, the independent auditors, and not a single one of those hundreds of people in the know has spoken up?

It really doesn't make sense does it?

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Posted by my_bankroll:
And I'm done with this shyt from now on... it is what is.... hate it or love it...believe it or not....it doesn't really matter and arguing.. is not gonna change anything so let's all just be happy and keep trying our best .....good luck Worship


I'm all for that. Smile

     
  16-Feb-13, 13:23   #19
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pochui 

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oh there's one more thing i want to tell to everyone who think online poker is rigged:
don't deposit your money- take the freerolls, no deposit bonuses, other promos: this way no one is gonna take away a cent from you...and you can still be in the action (and post more evidence that poker is rigged)...

     
  16-Feb-13, 13:39   #20
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snoggy 

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Which poker book told you that AA,KK,QQ preflop was guaranteed to win an allin . People forget that the pack is made up of 52 cards. I admit it isnt the play I would make with ragged aces etc but then I am not a pro. I suggested you broaden your game and perhaps learn to fold that which at the end of the day is just a pair Shock

     
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