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  18-Feb-13, 15:15   #1
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Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Germany
Age: 25 (M)
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Hi,

while playing i had some thoughts about how the Bankrollmanagement changes with the number of Opponents you have in an MTT.
For example the Bankrollmanagement is different if you play a 200 entries tournament or 1000 entries Tournament. And also the Bankroll change if you play Re-Buy MTTs.
Now my question is how it change, i can't figure that out really good and have know idea about how much BI you need more for large fields and re-Buys?

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:20   #2
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
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It should not make too much of a difference, since a big field equals big payouts, and more paid places...

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:24   #3
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Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
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Posted by marqis:
It should not make too much of a difference, since a big field equals big payouts, and more paid places...



Ok but to get good earnings you need to hit final table. so i thought that will influence the benkrollmanagement cause to FT with 1000 entries is way harder than to FT with 200 entries.
Have to say i know BRM but am no expert in it.
But thanks for the fast help. Smile

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:27   #4
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bullettooth1 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
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I didn't think it did change? Confused
I've never read anything about that before? I don't use solid bankroll management anyway. but i do TRY and stick to the 100BI rule Big Smile the biggest i play anyway is only $5.50 and that's not very often.

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:32   #5
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Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Germany
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Posts: 106
Posted by bullettooth1:
I didn't think it did change? Confused
I've never read anything about that before? I don't use solid bankroll management anyway. but i do TRY and stick to the 100BI rule Big Smile the biggest i play anyway is only $5.50 and that's not very often.

Ok now it is 2 against one that say it didn't change so i think you are right. I also never read something about that, that is why i asked it here. At the moment i just play some 1 dollar MTTs on 888 Poker with the free money and some freerolls, so it isn't important for me at the moment. Big Smile

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:32   #6
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
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Posted by Hiesy:
Hi,

while playing i had some thoughts about how the Bankrollmanagement changes with the number of Opponents you have in an MTT.
For example the Bankrollmanagement is different if you play a 200 entries tournament or 1000 entries Tournament. And also the Bankroll change if you play Re-Buy MTTs.
Now my question is how it change, i can't figure that out really good and have know idea about how much BI you need more for large fields and re-Buys?


The amount of runners in a MTT makes a HUGE different to your bankroll management.. That is why the recommended BIs for SNGs may be like 20-60 and for MTT more like 100 BI.

If you're playing on a smaller site, like PKR, where MTTs run with 50-200 runners only in most cases, you certainly don't need 100BI..

The whole idea of bankroll management is to buffer against negative variance.. The larger the field, the higher the variance.. With MTTs you need to consider the payouts are very top-heavy, so you really need to think about how often you're going to be able to hit the final table / top-5. If it's a small field, this will happen more, so you can get away with less BIs.. If you're playing huge-field games on Stars on the other hand, you may even consider 120-150BIs if you want to be careful since it may well be long stretches between final table cashes.

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:44   #7
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Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Germany
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 106
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Hiesy:
Hi,

while playing i had some thoughts about how the Bankrollmanagement changes with the number of Opponents you have in an MTT.
For example the Bankrollmanagement is different if you play a 200 entries tournament or 1000 entries Tournament. And also the Bankroll change if you play Re-Buy MTTs.
Now my question is how it change, i can't figure that out really good and have know idea about how much BI you need more for large fields and re-Buys?


The amount of runners in a MTT makes a HUGE different to your bankroll management.. That is why the recommended BIs for SNGs may be like 20-60 and for MTT more like 100 BI.

If you're playing on a smaller site, like PKR, where MTTs run with 50-200 runners only in most cases, you certainly don't need 100BI..

The whole idea of bankroll management is to buffer against negative variance.. The larger the field, the higher the variance.. With MTTs you need to consider the payouts are very top-heavy, so you really need to think about how often you're going to be able to hit the final table / top-5. If it's a small field, this will happen more, so you can get away with less BIs.. If you're playing huge-field games on Stars on the other hand, you may even consider 120-150BIs if you want to be careful since it may well be long stretches between final table cashes.


That was what i thought. Thank you for your good explanations.

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:52   #8
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
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Age: 48 (M)
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It appears someone made a formula for this:

Snyder’s Bankroll Fudge Formula (for established players):
(Total Cost of Tournament * Square Root of Player Field Size) * 2

For example, let’s say you want to play in $150 game that has 400 players registered. [$150 * (Square Root of 400)] * 2 = ($150 * 20) * 2 = $6,000 requirement bankroll.

(Borrowed from a competing site).

This example amounts to only 40BI though...

     
  18-Feb-13, 15:55   #9
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Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Germany
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 106
Posted by marqis:
It appears someone made a formula for this:

Snyder�s Bankroll Fudge Formula:
(Total Cost of Tournament * Square Root of Player Field Size) * 2

For example, let�s say you want to play in $150 game that has 400 players registered. [$150 * (Square Root of 400)] * 2 = ($150 * 20) * 2 = $6,000 requirement bankroll.

(Borrowed from a competing site).

This example amounts to only 40BI though...


Nice Formula and thanks for your research. Worship Even if i don't know if it is really helpfully but it seems good. Smile

     
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