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  18-Feb-13, 21:01   #1
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Wayniac99 
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Just been in 2 freerolls 1 on 888 and 1 on skypoker very first hand on 888 sat with AA in bb...5 All ins before i act. Against 2 poss 3 players i will call but against 5 i was inclined to fold which i did and it was in the end a correct fold as i would of got outflopped by 56 shove. on Skypoker 1 person raises to 120 which is 4xbb 1 caller i shove get another 3 callers after again i know im ahead pre but because i made the move first i dont decide what to do when 3 people acting after me and all call my shove. Once again i got beat this time by 97 who hits 2 pair.

How can you play your AA correctly when its a donkfest.

PLEASE DONT GO ON ABOUT ME THINKING AA CANT GET BEAT I KNOW THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PLAY IN DONKFESTS AS I JUST TRIED 2 DIFFERENT WAYS OF PLAYING IT AND GOT STUFFED BOTH TIMES

     
  18-Feb-13, 21:13   #2
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Hiesy 
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In such situations in freerolls i would everytime shove the AA pre flop. If i lose it than i lose it but i know i got my chips in right. Cause i know i will win more than 50 % of the hands with AA and it is one of the best spots to get my chips in. So if i win i can play with alot of chips and if i lose thats it you cant win everytime. Big Smile

     
  18-Feb-13, 21:16   #3
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bullettooth1 

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I don't think I'm ever folding aces in any situation in a freeroll.
If you get beat you get beat. It's only a freeroll.
Good luck in the next one Thumbs Up

     
  18-Feb-13, 21:17   #4
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AlexSimion 
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In my personal opinion , folding AA pre-flop is never a good decision , I know some people would disagree , but I for one would never fold the strongest hand pre-flop , even if there are many callers , donks etc , it's a chance to win big and be set for the rest of the tournament.

     
  18-Feb-13, 21:51   #5
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rafiko1 

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Never fold AA preflop. Big Smile
You have the highest chances of winning there, and by winning such hand (against 5 players!) u'll have a big chip lead which gives u a good chance to win the tournament.

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I'll correct myself: only in very special cases you can fold Aces.
Simple example: you're still with 101 in a tournament and only 100 go to the next stage (sattelite tournament).
It can be wise to fold Aces when a player pushes all in sometimes, since there is still a chance to lose there. You can depend on other players to take one player out so that you reach the next stage.

Edited by rafiko1 (Monday, February 18, 2013 @ 22:00 GMT)


     
  18-Feb-13, 21:59   #6
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djpremier 
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I wouldn't have folded AA preflop, even if it was all 9 players all-in ..
I mean you'll lose many of these muti-way all-ins but still, you are the favorite and when you win it's a huge pot and youll get an amazing start for the freeroll...
And when I lose atleast I know I didn't waist any time for that one Big Smile

     
  18-Feb-13, 22:40   #7
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damosk 
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The only time that you may want to fold AA pre flop is right at the start when you dont want to get blown out staright away,... but not in a freeroll....as others have said, its cost you nothing and you may win something...so go for it.

     
  18-Feb-13, 23:16   #8
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Greenmohave 

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Personally I've never folded AA preflop, but I'm not ever going to say one shouldn't since I've had my AA beat down on several occasions. In some cases I feel I was donked out and in others getting beat by a good hand is only expected.

I am saying it would be very difficult for me to fold AA preflop, but in some cases I wish I would have. You never know what the other cards will do to you!

     
  18-Feb-13, 23:43   #9
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KowKain 
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Shove all day long.. not even a standard raise in a freeroll. just get it in, and don't bother if you get cracked. Atleast you won't spen anoother 4+ hours just to get rivered at another point in a MTT. U need a HUGE stack to play in a freeroll so I guess I'd get it in even there was a whole table in Big Smile

You'll worry about AA in bigger games, higher prizepools. In freeroll, correct move is to take it all the way. - preflop ofcourse (well thats correct in any stake.. Tongue)

Hell I'd play them the same way on Pokerstars all the way up to $5 buyin

     
  18-Feb-13, 23:51   #10
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demodawggy 

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I'll fold 'em in a tourney when getting really close to the money....

I've had my aces KILLED just 20 or 30 away from getting in the cash LOTS of times....even died the bubble-boy shoving with the aces....


     
  19-Feb-13, 00:50   #11
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djpremier 
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Posted by demodawggy:
I'll fold 'em in a tourney when getting really close to the money....

I've had my aces KILLED just 20 or 30 away from getting in the cash LOTS of times....even died the bubble-boy shoving with the aces....



That's the perfect way to get in the lowest paid places and no final tables ..
If you fold your aces you probably fold every hand ?
You're missing so much value by this..
And people will steal your blinds every time..

Of course you'll sometimes get outta the tournament just before the money but if you manage to build a big stack ( with AA maybe? ) you'll have good chances to make it deep.

Of course if your goal is just to make it to the money then its ok..

     
  19-Feb-13, 01:12   #12
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by Wayniac99:
and it was in the end a correct fold as i would of got outflopped by 56 shove


Terrible mindset.
As for the question - no,never folding in any MTT,especially first hand..

     
  19-Feb-13, 01:49   #13
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zeroster 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Terrible mindset.

^^This absolutely.

You really should not not be deciding if your action was the correct one after the event. The fact that you would have been out flopped does not make it the correct play. You had no way of knowing what the flop would bring so it really has no bearing on whether folding was the correct play or not.

What you are doing is using information that you didn't have at the time to justify an earlier action.

It's a trap many, myself included, sometimes fall into. Watch out for it and try to avoid it or you run the risk of positively reinforcing bad play.

     
  19-Feb-13, 01:55   #14
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Jibberish 

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its actually justifiable to fold aces preflop so early in a tournament but its only justifiable if you feel like you are definately the better player and do not wish to gamble with people but rather grind them down. i know for a fact many pros have folded aces in the early stages of a MTT just to avoid the all in gamble because they felt like they were the better player and didnt want to risk there tournament life so early.

on the other hand i usually wouldnt fold aces because its a freeroll and there is always another starting a half hour away Blink

     
  19-Feb-13, 02:35   #15
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Posted by Wayniac99:
Just been in 2 freerolls 1 on 888 and 1 on skypoker very first hand on 888 sat with AA in bb...5 All ins before i act. Against 2 poss 3 players i will call but against 5 i was inclined to fold which i did and it was in the end a correct fold as i would of got outflopped by 56 shove. on Skypoker 1 person raises to 120 which is 4xbb 1 caller i shove get another 3 callers after again i know im ahead pre but because i made the move first i dont decide what to do when 3 people acting after me and all call my shove. Once again i got beat this time by 97 who hits 2 pair.

How can you play your AA correctly when its a donkfest.

PLEASE DONT GO ON ABOUT ME THINKING AA CANT GET BEAT I KNOW THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PLAY IN DONKFESTS AS I JUST TRIED 2 DIFFERENT WAYS OF PLAYING IT AND GOT STUFFED BOTH TIMES


Folding in this situation is a correct fold mate. pocket aces are just a pair. Yes they are favored to win preflop in a heads up situation they are very strong indeed. however for every extra person in the hand there odds of losing increase very fast. Against 5 people your Aces are actually going to lose most of the time.

Ronin Cool

     
  19-Feb-13, 02:43   #16
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by RoninHarper:
Posted by Wayniac99:
Just been in 2 freerolls 1 on 888 and 1 on skypoker very first hand on 888 sat with AA in bb...5 All ins before i act. Against 2 poss 3 players i will call but against 5 i was inclined to fold which i did and it was in the end a correct fold as i would of got outflopped by 56 shove. on Skypoker 1 person raises to 120 which is 4xbb 1 caller i shove get another 3 callers after again i know im ahead pre but because i made the move first i dont decide what to do when 3 people acting after me and all call my shove. Once again i got beat this time by 97 who hits 2 pair.

How can you play your AA correctly when its a donkfest.

PLEASE DONT GO ON ABOUT ME THINKING AA CANT GET BEAT I KNOW THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PLAY IN DONKFESTS AS I JUST TRIED 2 DIFFERENT WAYS OF PLAYING IT AND GOT STUFFED BOTH TIMES


Folding in this situation is a correct fold mate. pocket aces are just a pair. Yes they are favored to win preflop in a heads up situation they are very strong indeed. however for every extra person in the hand there odds of losing increase very fast. Against 5 people your Aces are actually going to lose most of the time.

Ronin Cool


Of course they will lose most of the time in a 6 way pot, but if they win, he gets 5 stacks... And he definetly has more than 20% chance to win. The reward is worth the risk. % wise, try to make some simulations of similar situations with an odds calculator, and you will see that aces always have 30-40% chance to win which seems great to me.

Freeroll or not, I'm never folding the nuts at any point in texas hold'em. If you play poker trying not to lose instead of trying to win, you definetly have the wrong mindset.

In PLO you can maybe fold the nuts when you know the other guy has the nuts too + a flush draw, but that's pretty rare and you would have to know how the other player plays this kind of hand.

Edited by TheMachineQC (Tuesday, February 19, 2013 @ 02:51 GMT)


     
  19-Feb-13, 02:45   #17
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by TheMachineQC:
Of course they will lose most of the time, but if they win, he gets 5 stacks... And he definetly has more than 20% chance to win.


Sums it up Thumbs Up

     
  19-Feb-13, 02:48   #18
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Serpang 
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Finally, what position did you get ? won prize or not ? I just curious, that's gambling situation.
Many time I play safely with hope win prize, but if not our time, we wouldn't won any prize even you call and won the hand you told.

The point is : Is your act help you to get prize Smile

     
  19-Feb-13, 22:50   #19
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retribution 

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Agree with TheMachine. The thing with aces is, unless someone has AA as well, you've got the strongest hand. Sure you're odds of winning go down exponentially ie: you and 1 player = 87% you and 2 players = 65% and so on downwards, so your odds of winning go down, but you'll ALWAYS be ahead +cEv wise. Of course +cEv isn't the same as ICM, but early in tourneys, ICM doesn't matter.

Also, saying you'll fold aces on/near a bubble is usually not correct, unless there is someone about to get blinded out. Of course in conventional tourney stuctures, you should be more concerned with abusing the bubble, trying to build a stack by bullying the other players trying to make the bubble, instead of turning into a nit.

However, tournies with flat payouts ie: top 100 get paid with 101 left, yes it's probably correct to fold a LOT more often, but even then it's not just a case of "Yes, I'm folding aces no matter what herpa-derp" but more of a "how will me calling/folding" affect future hands before the bubble.


     
  19-Feb-13, 23:07   #20
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by Wayniac99:
Just been in 2 freerolls 1 on 888 and 1 on skypoker very first hand on 888 sat with AA in bb...5 All ins before i act. Against 2 poss 3 players i will call but against 5 i was inclined to fold which i did and it was in the end a correct fold as i would of got outflopped by 56 shove.



LOL!

Sorry mate, awful fold and "in the end a correct fold" is a really bad way to think about poker hands.. That is like saying calling all-in with 72os pre flop was a good idea because the flop came down 777.

Basically: Never fold AA preflop unless it's a weird ICM situation such as on the bubble of a satellite/DoN

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Posted by demodawggy:
I'll fold 'em in a tourney when getting really close to the money....



Hey your medical results are back from the doctor... turns out you have a massive vagina!

     
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