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  2-Mar-13, 09:11   #1
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Sorin888 
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Threads started on forums observed that not only was cash game traffic noticeably lower, but different accounts were seeing different lobbies.
Is PartyPoker Segregating Player Pools Based on Win Rate?More speculation has been fueled by users claiming they are logging onto bwin using two different accounts and seeing two different lobbies.
Fishy Shock Shock

     
  3-Mar-13, 07:09   #2
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retribution 

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Until something more surfaces, I would just assume this is because of specific countie/jurisdiction laws. I know things are changing in the online poker world, and we've already seen some rooms seperating traffic because of this.

I think it's the rigtards just trying to blow this up into something it really isn't.

     
  3-Mar-13, 07:14   #3
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It's proven and Party Poker has almost officially admitted it.

     
  3-Mar-13, 11:16   #4
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damosk 
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OK...when you say its proven and PP have 'almost officially admitted it' what exactly do you mean and where is it proven and where have they almost admitted it? A little bit of evidence or information may not go amiss to make your post valid.

     
  4-Mar-13, 07:44   #5
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There is a relative thread on 2+2 with all the details. You can check it to find out more. I can't copy-paste an entire thread.

     
  4-Mar-13, 11:55   #6
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Fakiry 

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This is the first place where i'm actually reading about that. And PP related with Bwin? I feel confused. PP problem can have something to do with their schedule practice. They sent me an email recently telling me i had to go to the site and spend some money or else my acount could lose some of its advantages.

     
  4-Mar-13, 12:22   #7
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I'm trying to think of a reason why they thought this was a good idea but can't come up with anything. Di they honestly think no one would ever find out. As soon as this bacame publis it's natural to wonder how else they may be manipulating their site.

     
  4-Mar-13, 14:52   #8
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What follow is a copy/paste from a thread in a wellknown specialized pokerforum.
I read several thread on several forums talking about this matter: everything started because many regulars noticed a lack of traffic in their lobbies and started matching each other what they saw in their lobbies making scans viedos and so on.

[CP]
Official response from Party:

Quote:

"Hi All,

We are continually looking for ways to balance our poker room ecology. As we have said before, we are testing various features to make poker a more fun and entertaining game for both new and inexperienced players. Our extensive research shows that new and inexperienced players enjoy the game more and continue playing for longer if in the early stages they play with players of a similar ability, this includes, but is not limited to our welcome lounges. These players are free to play on any table they chose.

Thanks

Party Poker"

[/CP]

thera are also some videso on YT of players connecting at the same time, using virtual machines, with different accounts to show what was (and from what I know still is ) happening.


     
  4-Mar-13, 20:57   #9
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takingdrugs 

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they are tring to protect new customers who are just learning and recreational players from the multi tableing sharks who are using software like trackers and huds, which i have argued before is an unfair advantage (but trying not to offend).
seems like a fair deal to me.
well done PartyPoker.

     
  4-Mar-13, 21:34   #10
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it's SORT of understandable if they are trying to keep the newbies and the dummies away from the more serious players,..... but it DOES kinda smell fishy....

...although,...if you are a serious about the game newbie,.....you WANT to play golf with a better golfer because it just naturally elevates your game...and MAKES you a better player...

     
  5-Mar-13, 06:49   #11
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People spend time and effort on this game to become better so they can actually beat somebody. If the sites protect in this way those that don't improve by forcing those that do to always be allowed to play only with people that are better than them, so what's the point of improving or of playing that game for that matter?
Party Poker has the Welcome Lounge which are tables that only new players can play. Also that's exactly the point of having several stakes where new players can play starting from $0.01/0.02, so there is no justification for this kind of "protection". If they are worried about HUDs why don't they just ban them or use anonymous tables?
The point of this idea is to turn poker into a casino gambling game, where there is no profit to be made for the players and the only profit in the long run will be for the casino.
And as someone else already mentioned, since that's how they think about this game, who knows in what other ways are they offering this "protection" to the losing players?

     
  5-Mar-13, 07:28   #12
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I think the answer is yes, i actually remember a thread about this posted here on the bankrollmob forum lol

Back in the day i commented that it's a very weird move from bwin/party, i mean what they want to accomplish with this action??

     
  5-Mar-13, 09:08   #13
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Well, if this is in fact the case, it's a retarded move on PP's part. If they seperate the fish from the regs, then the regs won't play on the site anymore. Since regs put in far more volume, and thus pay more rake, my guess is that PP will flounder and die if they follow through on this.


     
  5-Mar-13, 10:26   #14
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magatt966 

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Assuming reg=winning player (either by tablewinnigs/bonus/rakeback/leaderboards etc)
then

reg=non depositing player

where the hell a pokerroom finds the money to cover withdrawals?

Only from deposits I assume.

What kind of players deposit more than withdraw?

Recreational players I assume.

etc etc

in short words: google "POKER ECOLOGY" and you will find out (or at least I found out) this is not a 100% bad move from bwin/party.

There are valid reasons to do that and thay are mainly long term reasons.

everything imho



     
  5-Mar-13, 11:29   #15
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mahdrof 

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Here is another video which illustrates what is happening. A few months ago I detailed an exchange I had with 888 support, when suddenly I could no longer open more than 6 tables at a time. IMO if they want to level things out the poker sites should just go to anonymous player tables.



     
  5-Mar-13, 12:00   #16
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Just days after rumours of PartyPoker segregating their player pools based on win rate started to circulate, it appears the Revolution Gaming Network is doing the same thing.
The network, which is the home of Cake Poker, is introducing what it calls "Fair Play Technology" which categorises players based on skill level and stops certain players from playing each other.

     
  5-Mar-13, 14:36   #17
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takingdrugs 

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remember that this is effecting cashgames only (possibly sngs in the future) but dosnt change a thing for the mtt grinders
not a cash game player myself (exept when im tilting) so it doesnt make a difference to me but to be fair it was probably the only way for the sites to go in the end, if you look at heads up tables the same good players avoid playing each other and are targeting the weaker players, new players will soon learn to stay away from online poker the good players will continue to aviod each other and online poker would not grow in the future, there just letting the weaker players gain some experience and learn to win before they get thrown in the deep end once there good enough to play with the big boys.

     
  5-Mar-13, 19:38   #18
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I really hope they will get in consideration the games and the numer of players participating
when enforcing this.
Cause for example in Cake poker some times its hard to find Omaha games running.
Imagine having the restriction too.

     
  6-Mar-13, 05:26   #19
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Posted by demodawggy:
it's SORT of understandable if they are trying to keep the newbies and the dummies away from the more serious players,..... but it DOES kinda smell fishy....

...although,...if you are a serious about the game newbie,.....you WANT to play golf with a better golfer because it just naturally elevates your game...and MAKES you a better player...


The thing that really bothers me about this is the lack of transparency. If their is aa valid reason behind this move why not be open about what your doing. The secrecy behind all of this gives me an ICKY no feeling!

     
  6-Mar-13, 05:34   #20
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Posted by Phoenix2104:
It's proven and Party Poker has almost officially admitted it.


This.

And it has been huge news for a few days now.

     
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