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  22-Mar-13, 13:43   #1
Enemy river 0 
qzmag 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 704
Hello,
Last night i played in $1.10 tourney on FT. After 100 hands played i had 100% showdown won until the very bad river show ....

Statistics for 100 Hands - 18k stack / 30th place

Street -------- Saw ------- Saw/Total
Flop --------- 24 ------- 24%
Turn --------- 8 ------- 8%
River --------- 6 ------- 6%
Showdown ------ 5 ------- 5%

Street -------- Won -------- Won/Saw -------- Won/Total
Pre-flop -------- 5 --------- 5% ------- 5%
Flop --------- 7 ---------- 29% ------- 7%
Turn --------- 1 ---------- 13% --------- 1%
River --------- 1 ---------- 17% --------- 1%
Showdown --------- 5 ---------- 100% --------- 5%

SB 200 / BB 400
on hand 104 i got Q5 as BB. button call, SB call. I check.
Flop 5 Q 3. I raise 800, button raise all-in ( A Q ), i call. Turn 9 , River 9 ...

Im still thinking if i shouldnt call on that raise.... but i had 2 pairs on flop ... and there was nothing for a flush or straight ...

Edited by qzmag (Friday, March 22, 2013 @ 13:47 GMT)


     
  22-Mar-13, 14:03   #2
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 679
it was bit unlucky but god, it happens to me so many times with 2 pairs Smile And there was actually some possible straight draws (A2, A4, 64, 62) and he had still around 18% chance to win it on flop... But you didnt make any mistake I thiink, I would play it same, just unlucky.

I just finished one SNG I had K10o on BB, blinds 200/400 and I had only 800 left. everybody fold SB raise allin (1500) I call... He had 10,10.

FLOP: K, 7, 2.
TURN: A
RIVER: Yea you are right, last 10 in deck Big Smile

     
  22-Mar-13, 14:59   #3
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Greenmohave 

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Location: United States
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Posts: 3361
I just got through asmall buyin SnG and got knocked 4th place (in the money) by a Q,2 against my pair of K's. I don't even know why he would call other then being big stack. Anyway, flop is A, 2, J turn is a 6 and river is another 2. Beat out by three 2's over K,K. over 25,000 chips in a carp hand, suckout, bad beat, lucky river.

I wouldn't even have played the hand. They weren't even suited! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Sad

     
  22-Mar-13, 19:24   #4
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
You see very often this kind of hands, a similar hand i played coupe of days ago in a freeroll on 888 in fact Smile

The hand was played pretty good, so just put it on variation and move on Blink

     
  22-Mar-13, 20:34   #5
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
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Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5682
Pretty impressive stats that deep in the game.... Seeing that hand through to the river would be a pretty good bet. Don't think I'd have done anything different either. You had good cards and a generally a good hand,...plus the possibility that buddy could have been playin' you....

Although,...Mr.Greenserpent has a valid point,...

Things just didn't go your way.... Aww crap!

     
  23-Mar-13, 00:09   #6
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retribution 

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Posts: 1490
Posted by qzmag:
Hello,
Last night i played in $1.10 tourney on FT. After 100 hands played i had 100% showdown won until the very bad river show ....

Statistics for 100 Hands - 18k stack / 30th place

Street -------- Saw ------- Saw/Total
Flop --------- 24 ------- 24%
Turn --------- 8 ------- 8%
River --------- 6 ------- 6%
Showdown ------ 5 ------- 5%

Street -------- Won -------- Won/Saw -------- Won/Total
Pre-flop -------- 5 --------- 5% ------- 5%
Flop --------- 7 ---------- 29% ------- 7%
Turn --------- 1 ---------- 13% --------- 1%
River --------- 1 ---------- 17% --------- 1%
Showdown --------- 5 ---------- 100% --------- 5%

SB 200 / BB 400
on hand 104 i got Q5 as BB. button call, SB call. I check.
Flop 5 Q 3. I raise 800, button raise all-in ( A Q ), i call. Turn 9 , River 9 ...

Im still thinking if i shouldnt call on that raise.... but i had 2 pairs on flop ... and there was nothing for a flush or straight ...


First off, I'll just say that hand is pretty standard. No point raising in the blind with a weak hand like q5o, so checking is find. Flopping 2 pair, I'd say it's hard to get away so you just got unlucky.

Now I'm going to talk about your actual stats. You saw a flop 24% of the time. This is way too loose, which means you're playing far too wide a range, and likely playing out of position a LOT. Work on position play and hand ranges, you'll find your game improve DRAMATICALLY if you do just those 2 things.

Also, you see 24% of flops, and only 8% of turns and rivers. This means you are probably missing a lot of opportunities to bluff/steal pots on wet boards etc. This also points out that you're playing quite passively, preferring to check/call instead of raise like you should be.

Lastly, the fact that you won 100% of showdowns means you're only playing hands where you think you've got the nuts, or close to it. Now I'm not advising that you turn into a calling station, but this to me means you're giving up on wayyyyyyy to many hands that you're probably miles ahead in. Paying attention to players betting patterns, and the board texture will help you pick up spots where you can pick up more pots, without having to have the best hand by bluffing as well as prevent being bluffed out of pots that you would have won.

     
  23-Mar-13, 01:21   #7
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qzmag 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 704
Posted by retribution:
Posted by qzmag:
Hello,
Last night i played in $1.10 tourney on FT. After 100 hands played i had 100% showdown won until the very bad river show ....

Statistics for 100 Hands - 18k stack / 30th place

Street -------- Saw ------- Saw/Total
Flop --------- 24 ------- 24%
Turn --------- 8 ------- 8%
River --------- 6 ------- 6%
Showdown ------ 5 ------- 5%

Street -------- Won -------- Won/Saw -------- Won/Total
Pre-flop -------- 5 --------- 5% ------- 5%
Flop --------- 7 ---------- 29% ------- 7%
Turn --------- 1 ---------- 13% --------- 1%
River --------- 1 ---------- 17% --------- 1%
Showdown --------- 5 ---------- 100% --------- 5%

SB 200 / BB 400
on hand 104 i got Q5 as BB. button call, SB call. I check.
Flop 5 Q 3. I raise 800, button raise all-in ( A Q ), i call. Turn 9 , River 9 ...

Im still thinking if i shouldnt call on that raise.... but i had 2 pairs on flop ... and there was nothing for a flush or straight ...


First off, I'll just say that hand is pretty standard. No point raising in the blind with a weak hand like q5o, so checking is find. Flopping 2 pair, I'd say it's hard to get away so you just got unlucky.

Now I'm going to talk about your actual stats. You saw a flop 24% of the time. This is way too loose, which means you're playing far too wide a range, and likely playing out of position a LOT. Work on position play and hand ranges, you'll find your game improve DRAMATICALLY if you do just those 2 things.

Also, you see 24% of flops, and only 8% of turns and rivers. This means you are probably missing a lot of opportunities to bluff/steal pots on wet boards etc. This also points out that you're playing quite passively, preferring to check/call instead of raise like you should be.

Lastly, the fact that you won 100% of showdowns means you're only playing hands where you think you've got the nuts, or close to it. Now I'm not advising that you turn into a calling station, but this to me means you're giving up on wayyyyyyy to many hands that you're probably miles ahead in. Paying attention to players betting patterns, and the board texture will help you pick up spots where you can pick up more pots, without having to have the best hand by bluffing as well as prevent being bluffed out of pots that you would have won.




Ty for the tips. Yes most of the time i play safe, only with good/very good hands , and some times for example if i could play i could play a hand like A7 , i could had four of a kind A, since Flop was A 5 A turn A river 10, but thta's very rare. And i play agressive but where i think i can ... i'm watching very closely at the other players from the table. Learn about them , how they play , what hands they play ... i mark them so if i met them again i know something about them and stuff like that. And depends on tourney ... if i play more aggressive or safe , or both... and what's my objective / target to catch in that tourney.

Have a nice morning/night.

     
  25-Mar-13, 23:16   #8
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manuste6 
Joined: Mar '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 75
a simerlar thing happend to me on poker stars the other night in a 2 buyin 5000 garenteed i ended up fineshing in 25 out of 3833 s**t happens




Transcript for your last 1 hands requested by steh222

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Hand #96044181273: Tournament #704160329, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (8000/16000) - 2013/03/23 22:25:21 ET
Table '704160329 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: steh222 (275372 in chips)
Seat 2: gonnabeapro (423894 in chips)
Seat 3: parausanu (395232 in chips)
Seat 4: stich18 (192744 in chips)
Seat 5: Envari (979184 in chips)
Seat 6: Xerez1984 (266838 in chips)
Seat 7: 15watt (937183 in chips)
Seat 8: ramitk (541306 in chips)
Seat 9: kk1972 (732333 in chips)
steh222: posts the ante 2000
gonnabeapro: posts the ante 2000
parausanu: posts the ante 2000
stich18: posts the ante 2000
Envari: posts the ante 2000
Xerez1984: posts the ante 2000
15watt: posts the ante 2000
ramitk: posts the ante 2000
kk1972: posts the ante 2000
gonnabeapro: posts small blind 8000
parausanu: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to steh222 [Ad Kh]
stich18: folds
Envari: folds
Xerez1984: folds
15watt: folds
ramitk: folds
kk1972: raises 32000 to 48000
steh222: raises 225372 to 273372 and is all-in
gonnabeapro: folds
parausanu: folds
kk1972: calls 225372
*** FLOP *** [3c Ts 4c]
*** TURN *** [3c Ts 4c] 4 of spades
*** RIVER *** [3c Ts 4c 4s] 2 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kk1972: shows [4h 2d] (a full house, Fours full of Deuces)
steh222: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Fours)
kk1972 collected 588744 from pot
steh222 finished the tournament in 25th place and received $19.54.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 588744 | Rake 0
Board [3c Ts 4c 4s 2c]
Seat 1: steh222 (button) showed [Ad Kh] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 2: gonnabeapro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: parausanu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: stich18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Envari folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Xerez1984 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 15watt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ramitk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kk1972 showed [4h 2d] and won (588744) with a full house, Fours full of Deuces

Edited by Administrator (Tuesday, March 26, 2013 @ 09:13 GMT)


     
  25-Mar-13, 23:44   #9
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retribution 

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Posts: 1490
Posted by manuste6:
a simerlar thing happend to me on poker stars the other night in a 2 buyin 5000 garenteed i ended up fineshing in 25 out of 3833 s**t happens




Transcript for your last 1 hands requested by steh222

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Hand #96044181273: Tournament #704160329, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (8000/16000) - 2013/03/23 22:25:21 ET
Table '704160329 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: steh222 (275372 in chips)
Seat 2: gonnabeapro (423894 in chips)
Seat 3: parausanu (395232 in chips)
Seat 4: stich18 (192744 in chips)
Seat 5: Envari (979184 in chips)
Seat 6: Xerez1984 (266838 in chips)
Seat 7: 15watt (937183 in chips)
Seat 8: ramitk (541306 in chips)
Seat 9: kk1972 (732333 in chips)
steh222: posts the ante 2000
gonnabeapro: posts the ante 2000
parausanu: posts the ante 2000
stich18: posts the ante 2000
Envari: posts the ante 2000
Xerez1984: posts the ante 2000
15watt: posts the ante 2000
ramitk: posts the ante 2000
kk1972: posts the ante 2000
gonnabeapro: posts small blind 8000
parausanu: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to steh222 [Ad Kh]
stich18: folds
Envari: folds
Xerez1984: folds
15watt: folds
ramitk: folds
kk1972: raises 32000 to 48000
steh222: raises 225372 to 273372 and is all-in
gonnabeapro: folds
parausanu: folds
kk1972: calls 225372
*** FLOP *** [3c Ts 4c]
*** TURN *** [3c Ts 4c] 4 of spades
*** RIVER *** [3c Ts 4c 4s] 2 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kk1972: shows [4h 2d] (a full house, Fours full of Deuces)
steh222: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Fours)
kk1972 collected 588744 from pot
steh222 finished the tournament in 25th place and received $19.54.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 588744 | Rake 0
Board [3c Ts 4c 4s 2c]
Seat 1: steh222 (button) showed [Ad Kh] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 2: gonnabeapro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: parausanu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: stich18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Envari folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Xerez1984 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 15watt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ramitk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kk1972 showed [4h 2d] and won (588744) with a full house, Fours full of Deuces


I think you posted this in the wrong thread lol. Also, don't leave your contact info in your post as A) it opens you up to getting harvested/spammed and b) It's not allowed here.

     
  26-Mar-13, 00:05   #10
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qzmag 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 704
that was sick , to call you? over 200k chips? with 42 ? let me guess... Russian?
i mean , no1 ever could raise with 4 2 , but call some1 all in? 17x BB....

he was drunk or high ... thats the only explenation.

have a nice morning/night and GL.


     
  26-Mar-13, 01:09   #11
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
G'day mate

I am unsure if the river is my enemy or not but for the record ever since the last PStars update I have not been able to get a break from the river rapist.
I mean I could not hit a river right now if I fell out of a boat in the middle of the Nile's wet season.

best of luck to us all.

Ronin

     
  26-Mar-13, 13:22   #12
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xdomagojx 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Croatia
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 399
Posted by qzmag:
Hello,
Last night i played in $1.10 tourney on FT. After 100 hands played i had 100% showdown won until the very bad river show ....

Statistics for 100 Hands - 18k stack / 30th place

Street -------- Saw ------- Saw/Total
Flop --------- 24 ------- 24%
Turn --------- 8 ------- 8%
River --------- 6 ------- 6%
Showdown ------ 5 ------- 5%

Street -------- Won -------- Won/Saw -------- Won/Total
Pre-flop -------- 5 --------- 5% ------- 5%
Flop --------- 7 ---------- 29% ------- 7%
Turn --------- 1 ---------- 13% --------- 1%
River --------- 1 ---------- 17% --------- 1%
Showdown --------- 5 ---------- 100% --------- 5%

SB 200 / BB 400
on hand 104 i got Q5 as BB. button call, SB call. I check.
Flop 5 Q 3. I raise 800, button raise all-in ( A Q ), i call. Turn 9 , River 9 ...

Im still thinking if i shouldnt call on that raise.... but i had 2 pairs on flop ... and there was nothing for a flush or straight ...


100% of showdown doesn't mean you are playing perfect. I've won 3 2.50 sngs in 3 days with 52%.... Be more aggro, nothing wrong with losing few pots. How will you get payed off with monsters i wonder?

     
  26-Mar-13, 14:04   #13
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
Nice statistics, and about that Q5, you played very well, the mistake was from those who let you see the flop without having to put any extra chips on the table. That's one of the main reasons to always bet pre-flop each time we play, it's the only way to guarantee the less crazy hands possible in the game. The only one that will pay to see a flop with Q5 is a very loose aggressive player, a donk, or someone with so many chips that he doesn't know what to do with them.

     
  28-Mar-13, 01:37   #14
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qzmag 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 704
Just look.... just look .... 0.2 buy-in hyper-turbo .... jokerstars with joker players ....
First time i lost AA vs. 75 ... all-n pre-flop .... he did it .... romanian player ....
Now .... brazilian ...

PokerStars Hand #96259229237: Tournament #710514787, $0.02+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (300/600) - 2013/03/28 3:25:01 EET [2013/03/27 21:25:01 ET]
Table '710514787 91' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: LexuTz1991 (4380 in chips)
Seat 2: Limonee (725 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: AQUIETRUCO (5660 in chips)
Seat 4: laki018 (4380 in chips)
Seat 5: Matias_Claro (4565 in chips)
Seat 6: qzmag (6320 in chips)
Seat 7: GRPPA (11573 in chips)
Seat 8: MCFG17 (2755 in chips)
Seat 9: acpille (4360 in chips)
LexuTz1991: posts the ante 120
Limonee: posts the ante 120
AQUIETRUCO: posts the ante 120
laki018: posts the ante 120
Matias_Claro: posts the ante 120
qzmag: posts the ante 120
GRPPA: posts the ante 120
MCFG17: posts the ante 120
acpille: posts the ante 120
MCFG17: posts small blind 300
acpille: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to qzmag [Qs Qh]
LexuTz1991: folds
Limonee: folds
AQUIETRUCO: folds
laki018: folds
Matias_Claro: folds
qzmag: raises 1622 to 2222
GRPPA: raises 9231 to 11453 and is all-in
MCFG17: folds
acpille: folds
qzmag: calls 3978 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (5253) returned to GRPPA
*** FLOP *** [5d 6h Kc]
*** TURN *** [5d 6h Kc] 10 of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [5d 6h Kc Td] 5 of spades
*** SHOW DOWN ***
qzmag: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
GRPPA: shows [7c 5h] (three of a kind, Fives)
GRPPA collected 14380 from pot
qzmag finished the tournament in 327th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14380 | Rake 0
Board [5d 6h Kc Td 5s]
Seat 1: LexuTz1991 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Limonee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AQUIETRUCO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: laki018 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Matias_Claro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: qzmag showed [Qs Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fives
Seat 7: GRPPA (button) showed [7c 5h] and won (14380) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 8: MCFG17 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: acpille (big blind) folded before Flop

     
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