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Posted by thefly131:
the strongness of your omaha starting hands is relative .... if they hit nothing on the flop they are almost worthless.... you can only hope to see a free turn (or a very cheap one)

also good starting hands are hands like 7 Club 8 Heart 9 Club 10 Heart (doubled suited connected)

if you get a flop like 3 Heart 9 Heart 8 Spade

you have

--> 4 outs for a FH
--> 8 outs for a flush (not ace high)
--> 11 outs for a str

together 23 outs

compared to AAKK --> postflop behind vs 2 pair (88-99)

best possible if it s AK Heart --> 9 outs (flush, opponets cards not included)+ 4 outs (AAKK) --> 13

otherwise just 4 outs left and if a pair comes on the board with the turn or river (AA-33)

So in my opinion AAKK is a strong hands but it still has to hit ....



Well yes, if you pick one specific hand and 1 specific flop that favors that hand, then of course they will be stronger. But the point is, AAKK double suited is still a MUCH stronger hand that 78910 double suited. You've got at least a top pair going to the flop, they have to hit something in order to even catch up. In holdem, this would be like AA vs 109. Sure they have 2 live cards hitting going to the flop, but they are still way behind unless they hit something.

     
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of course AAKK is stronger, but in omaha the flop is more important that the starting hand...

and as it is mostly played pot limit, you can not push them away with going allin.

So minor good hands will always call

     
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Posted by jessthehuman:
I heard that the top 10-20% of Omaha hands hold up better than the top 10-20% of Holdem hands..


That makes sense mostly because of flushes and straights. When you have hands like AK10J, if you're against someone with a hand like 56910 and both hit a straight or flush, you're almost always going to have the nuts or a very very strong hand and might have him drawing dead.

In NLHE, those situations where both players hit a straight or a flush are rare and hard to dodge even if you're a great player... That's why in PLO it's usually very easy to play strong starting hands post flop. You either hit and bet/raise/call or don't and just fold to any bet. In NLHE, it's very tough to fold an overpair against 2 pair or a set and it's something that happens pretty often...

So I think NLHE is more about reading your opponent and his betting patterns than PLO. PLO is all about chasing the nuts post flop and waiting for your opponents mistakes, unless you 3bet 4bet almost every hand pre flop like a lot of PLO pros like to do Blink Because they make the pot bigger pre flop, you can't afford to wait very strong hands...

But still it's hard to compare a PL game to a NL game, even if the basics are the same.

Edited by TheMachineQC (29 March 2013 @ 06:48 GMT)


     
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