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  5-Apr-13, 22:49   #1
Strategic move good or not ? 0 
Peter7878 

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Lately I've been trying a lot of moves (at NL10) but I'm not sure if they're correct and if they can bring me profit on the long term.

One of them, which I would be very pleased if the coaches would analyse it, is raising to 4bb from SB (with a pretty wide range) after a player limped in from MP CO or BU.
The player in the big blind is very likely to give up his hand (unless he's a fish or a maniac in which case I won't make this move at all) and the player who limped is asked to put 3bb more in the pot with a hand that doesn't signal any strength and will also play without initiative. Limping in and then calling a 4x raise with a mediocre hand seems like a bad play to me.

Of course you have the disadvantage of playing out of position if one of the opponents calls, but you can still donk as a contibet on most of the flops being the aggressor.

     
  6-Apr-13, 00:50   #2
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RoninHarper 

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Posted by Peter7878:
Lately I've been trying a lot of moves (at NL10) but I'm not sure if they're correct and if they can bring me profit on the long term.

One of them, which I would be very pleased if the coaches would analyse it, is raising to 4bb from SB (with a pretty wide range) after a player limped in from MP CO or BU.
The player in the big blind is very likely to give up his hand (unless he's a fish or a maniac in which case I won't make this move at all) and the player who limped is asked to put 3bb more in the pot with a hand that doesn't signal any strength and will also play without initiative. Limping in and then calling a 4x raise with a mediocre hand seems like a bad play to me.

Of course you have the disadvantage of playing out of position if one of the opponents calls, but you can still donk as a contibet on most of the flops being the aggressor.


G'day mate

Well that move can go either way.
I have seen in more than one poker book that is considered both good and bad play.
The limper is not showing ant strength yet but could be a passive trap player.
If however the Big blind calls you most likely are behind and unless you hit the flop you probably want to get out fast. It can go either way. I personally do not do it but I know some players who do.

Can not tell you if you will make more over the long haul you will need to keep records and figure that out.
best of luck

Ronin Cool

     
  6-Apr-13, 03:00   #3
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rbdflyboy 

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Earlier positions tend to play tighter ranges, try to set mine cheaply, some will flat call to see a flop. With the right board texture they can win the pot with a low pocket pair. How often does that move need to succeed to be profitable...short answer....not often. Be prepared variance plays a roll here also. Like most plays depends on the situation and table dynamics. Some of the guys here can give some of the PT stats VPIP, PFR, AF, etc if you use a HUD.
One more question...what is the percentage of time when we get called will we win the pot? How much fold equity are we holding? These should be understood in order to make the correct play. Smile

Edited by rbdflyboy (Saturday, April 06, 2013 @ 03:15 GMT)


     
  6-Apr-13, 04:19   #4
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retribution 

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Yeah, I honestly think it's solid play, for pretty much all the reasons you specified. In unopened pots, the later the limp, the trashier the hand usually is. Just be wary if they suddenly show aggression post-flop, or if they 3-bet pre-flop. Fish LOVE to limp/3-bet big hands like big pairs and big aces, so of course take that into consideration.

It's not really a move I'd try with multiple limpers, but with 1 limper, especially if they are LP, it's good. If they end up calling and then they check the flop post flop, a good c-bet should take it down enough times to make the move profitable. Of course that depends on the texture of the board, but I'm sure you can factor that.

     
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