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  7-Apr-13, 13:17   #1
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Sorin888 
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The real-estate tycoon Harry Kakavas is taking the Crown Casino to court in an attempt to get some of his money back. He claims the casino knew he had a serious gambling problem, but they lured him back to their high roller tables anyway.
Kakavas is said to have played for up to $300,000 a hand at baccarat and has even served jail time for stealing $286,000 from friends to feed his habit.

     
  7-Apr-13, 13:20   #2
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IceQueenAce 
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hope he wins, if it is true they knew he had a serious problem

     
  7-Apr-13, 14:01   #3
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jessthehuman 

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I'm always in two minds about these sorts of cases.. obviously on one hand, there is personal responsibility .. On the other hand, casinos are fucking scumbags and if they DID knowingly lure a problem gambler to their tables, then that is the fucking lowest of the low, problem gambling destroys lives and families, in some cases, literally.

If it's proven that they did act in such an unethical manner, then I really do hope he takes them to the cleaners..

Although, I would much rather see a lawsuit paid out by Crown go to a Gamblers help group, rather than a single, greedy, person.

     
  7-Apr-13, 14:10   #4
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IceQueenAce 
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agreed jess

I always have issues with poker sites that put links to blackjack and roulette on poker tables for same reason and have said so to the sites concerned

     
  7-Apr-13, 14:13   #5
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Serpang 
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lol. how far casino know he had serious problem ? no had money anymore ? lured him ? and sue ?
for me is very strange if he will win at court. But I don't know how the law work there.

Is any protection if online casino didn't pay our withdrawal ? I got twice Sad Sad

     
  7-Apr-13, 14:14   #6
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Peter7878 

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I don't like all these casinos. They are stealing our money. And all these no deposit bonuses which they give us: $5 or $10, I play and lost in a 20 minutes. Never win something big. And always sending you thousands of emails to deposit, that they have the best offers.

Yesterday I have registered at Scrach Mania, what was Hopla i think and 2 more, but never win. The software is made only to take your money. Not to give you money. Don't play online casinos. Just play poker. It is better.

Good luck everybody. Smile

     
  7-Apr-13, 16:26   #7
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by Peter7878:
I don't like all these casinos. They are stealing our money. And all these no deposit bonuses which they give us: $5 or $10, I play and lost in a 20 minutes. Never win something big. And always sending you thousands of emails to deposit, that they have the best offers.

Yesterday I have registered at Scrach Mania, what was Hopla i think and 2 more, but never win. The software is made only to take your money. Not to give you money. Don't play online casinos. Just play poker. It is better.

Good luck everybody. Smile


This thread has nothing to do with online gambling.. Crown Casino is Australia's biggest casino, located in Melbourne.


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Posted by Serpang:
lol. how far casino know he had serious problem ? no had money anymore ? lured him ? and sue ?
for me is very strange if he will win at court. But I don't know how the law work there.


It's a very interesting situation IMHO. Casinos *DO* have self-exclusion programs, so if this man has self-excluded from Crown and then they've actively sought out his business, then they're in clear breach of conduct. If however he didn't self-exclude, then it's a much trickier situation. But I think hypothetically, if casino is beyond a doubt aware that a high roller is a problem gambler facing financial ruin and they actively bring him to their casino (not just allow him to come on his own accord, but actually seek him out and bring him in) then I think they should be liable to some degree, for a breach of ethical codes, however - in the eyes of the law, I don't know if much can be done, if the man didn't self-exclude.

     
  7-Apr-13, 18:21   #8
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rbdflyboy 

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Posted by jessthehuman:
I'm always in two minds about these sorts of cases.. obviously on one hand, there is personal responsibility .. On the other hand, casinos are fucking scumbags and if they DID knowingly lure a problem gambler to their tables, then that is the fucking lowest of the low, problem gambling destroys lives and families, in some cases, literally.

If it's proven that they did act in such an unethical manner, then I really do hope he takes them to the cleaners..

Although, I would much rather see a lawsuit paid out by Crown go to a Gamblers help group, rather than a single, greedy, person.



Thumbs Up can't agree more...

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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Peter7878:
I don't like all these casinos. They are stealing our money. And all these no deposit bonuses which they give us: $5 or $10, I play and lost in a 20 minutes. Never win something big. And always sending you thousands of emails to deposit, that they have the best offers.

Yesterday I have registered at Scrach Mania, what was Hopla i think and 2 more, but never win. The software is made only to take your money. Not to give you money. Don't play online casinos. Just play poker. It is better.

Good luck everybody. Smile


This thread has nothing to do with online gambling.. Crown Casino is Australia's biggest casino, located in Melbourne.


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Posted by Serpang:
lol. how far casino know he had serious problem ? no had money anymore ? lured him ? and sue ?
for me is very strange if he will win at court. But I don't know how the law work there.


It's a very interesting situation IMHO. Casinos *DO* have self-exclusion programs, so if this man has self-excluded from Crown and then they've actively sought out his business, then they're in clear breach of conduct. If however he didn't self-exclude, then it's a much trickier situation. But I think hypothetically, if casino is beyond a doubt aware that a high roller is a problem gambler facing financial ruin and they actively bring him to their casino (not just allow him to come on his own accord, but actually seek him out and bring him in) then I think they should be liable to some degree, for a breach of ethical codes, however - in the eyes of the law, I don't know if much can be done, if the man didn't self-exclude.



We have the same rule here...and can tell you first hand there are people who have dropped there whole paycheck in a casino and as a result when the dust settles most have banned themselves...one person banned himself for life.

     
  7-Apr-13, 18:29   #9
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Greenmohave 

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I just can't imagine what it's like to have an addiction to gambling. I mean what are the withdraw symptoms and why can't one who feels they have that problem stay away from the places to where they can't be lured in. I guess this is one addiction I don't understand.

I would have to agree with jess on this though. The suit monies would be or gain more support by others if would go towards a Gamblers support group or something of that sort to assist others.

If you have a problem gambling one shouldn't be in the casino which would prevent being lured.

     
  7-Apr-13, 18:45   #10
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Macubaas 
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It will be very,very hard for such acusation to stand in a court from my point of view...

In the end they didn't force him to come and play, maybe just throw up some invitations, coming over and over again was his call.

     
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