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  9-Apr-13, 16:26   #1
king + suited +1 
steffi500 
Joined: Mar '13
Location: United Kingdom
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now i know alot of people play Ace anything suited for the flush potential - i tend to quite alot, but i was thinkin why not king suited with anything - there is only a 1/50 chance if im not mistaken the Ace will rear its ugly?


     
  9-Apr-13, 16:34   #2
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Bigritefoot 

Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
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It all depends on position and who else is already in but i quite often play this hand from CO/B to take down pots.

For some reason K2 or K3 always seems to hit flush or full house for me Confused

Maybe i look Russian or something Shock

     
  9-Apr-13, 16:42   #3
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
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Interesting post! Essentially you can play anything you want however you want (even though that is against all the best poker etiquette!). However, the smaller your top card, the less chance you have in probability terms of actually winning anything; so you have to assess your potential loss against what you may win. This is of course balanced by the fact that there are 4 cards higher than your king; i.e. the four aces, which against your king high, has you beat, so you are betting with a losing hand from the start. People arent just playing for a chance of a flush, but the potential of the benefits that an A brings. You will of course consider limping (if thats your thing) to see a cheap flop and then determining what to do after the flop. Most people would call that Bingo, but is a legitimate play (as is anything you want to play with in poker) but most people dont appreciate it.

I also think your 1/50 odds are someway off reality. There are 4 A's with 52 cards available, you have two of them which are NOT A's, therefore there is a 4 /50 chance of an A appearing.

     
  9-Apr-13, 17:00   #4
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Doarulle 
Joined: Sep '12
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As Bigritefoot said, the position is very important... if you can see a flop with KXs for free or just for one BB is good.. if you hit the flush is hard to lose against AXs but not impossible cuz if you know the RNG online is pretty sick... the only hand you can play on the flop is a royal flush ... cuz not even Quads isn't nuts on the flop...

     
  9-Apr-13, 20:58   #5
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
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Very interesting post. When I hold AA and the flop is 356, the turn is 7, and the river comes 8, it is obvious that someone has straight. I have only one pair of aces. So, I fold Sad It happens.

When I have strong pairs preflop I am scared, because I don't what will happen. I had also situations when I hold KK preflop, and the guy receives an ace at the river, and he beats me with a pair of aces.

So, I don't know what to say. The poker rules say that only when we hold AA or AK we have to raise, otherwise, just call or fold. But who follows the poker rules?

There are some poker strategies, that you should read.

Good luck at the tables! Smile

     
  9-Apr-13, 21:08   #6
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Greenmohave 

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I pretty much opposite here, or have been lately which has contributed to more times making the money. I rarely play Aces or Kings with small kickers even if they're suited. These hand shave hurt me more times then helped me.

Don't get me wrong, right position, right price and right gut feeling I may play anything, but most of the time I'm holding out for the best value hand and have rarely will I go allin like a lot of players do everytime they have a big pair or an A,K, etc.

     
  10-Apr-13, 13:55   #7
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steffi500 
Joined: Mar '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (F)
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[QUOTE]Posted by damosk:
Interesting post! Essentially you can play anything you want however you want (even though that is against all the best poker etiquette!). However, the smaller your top card, the less chance you have in probability terms of actually winning anything; so you have to assess your potential loss against what you may win. This is of course balanced by the fact that there are 4 cards higher than your king; i.e. the four aces, which against your king high, has you beat, so you are betting with a losing hand from the start. People arent just playing for a chance of a flush, but the potential of the benefits that an A brings. You will of course consider limping (if thats your thing) to see a cheap flop and then determining what to do after the flop. Most people would call that Bingo, but is a legitimate play (as is anything you want to play with in poker) but most people dont appreciate it.

I also think your 1/50 odds are someway off reality. There are 4 A's with 52 cards available, you have two of them which are NOT A's, therefore there is a 4 /50 chance of an A appearing. [/QUOT

I just have to mention your odds - i agree with what your saying but in terms of the ace from only one suit - as we have k whatever suited, it would be 1/50, also taking into account the Ace could fall on one of the streets thus giving you top flush against any opponent

     
  10-Apr-13, 14:21   #8
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Posted by Greenmohave:
I pretty much opposite here, or have been lately which has contributed to more times making the money. I rarely play Aces or Kings with small kickers even if they're suited. These hand shave hurt me more times then helped me.

Don't get me wrong, right position, right price and right gut feeling I may play anything, but most of the time I'm holding out for the best value hand and have rarely will I go allin like a lot of players do everytime they have a big pair or an A,K, etc.



I would only play Ax suited or Kx suited when it s an unopened pot and I am on the button (or just before the button) and the players on the blinds are not too loose.
With a standard raise it s possible to steal the blinds and if you get called you still have acceptable cards but you have to be carefull.
When getting reraised--> fold

     
  11-Apr-13, 03:46   #9
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
If you start playing KXs make sure you do so from position and also make sure you're good at stealing, because there is no way you flop strong enough, often enough, to make it +EV from value-betting alone.

The thing with AXs is)

With A2-A5 and A10-AK you can make straights (using both hole cards)
And A on it's own often flops top pair (beating any PP under AA)
You draw to nut flushes

     
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