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Jokerstars is continuing its b******t yet again, any major tourney i have played on there recently im getting ripped out by the balls.
play pocket pairs some dickheads call with s**t and get rewarded, on a table full of calling station monkeys im low stack i go allin when i get pocket As and everyone folds and to top it off check out this predictable hand (i mean its predictable when you see the flop!)
PokerStars Hand #97061305197: Tournament #714720034, $1.00+$0.25+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2013/04/12 19:20:51 WET [2013/04/12 14:20:51 ET] Table '714720034 523' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: A2345maybe (5000 in chips) Seat 2: sezar114 (8918 in chips) Seat 3: zNNzOuu1 (7674 in chips) Seat 4: tsita250 (13252 in chips) Seat 5: kaiser1522 (1463 in chips) Seat 6: leo minorrr (5043 in chips) Seat 7: vlastis (16399 in chips) Seat 9: mikan2009 (11545 in chips) A2345maybe: posts the ante 100 sezar114: posts the ante 100 zNNzOuu1: posts the ante 100 tsita250: posts the ante 100 kaiser1522: posts the ante 100 leo minorrr: posts the ante 100 vlastis: posts the ante 100 mikan2009: posts the ante 100 A2345maybe: posts small blind 500 sezar114: posts big blind 1000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to A2345maybe [Kc As] zNNzOuu1: folds tsita250: calls 1000 kaiser1522: folds leo minorrr: folds vlastis: calls 1000 mikan2009: folds A2345maybe: raises 3900 to 4900 and is all-in sezar114: raises 3918 to 8818 and is all-in tsita250: folds vlastis: folds Uncalled bet (3918) returned to sezar114 *** FLOP *** [6h 4c 3d] *** TURN *** [6h 4c 3d] *** RIVER *** [6h 4c 3d 2d] *** SHOW DOWN *** A2345maybe: shows [Kc As] (high card Ace) sezar114: shows [Ad 5d] (a flush, Ace high) sezar114 collected 12600 from pot sezar114 wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating A2345maybe A2345maybe finished the tournament in 1878th place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 12600 | Rake 0 Board [6h 4c 3d 2d Qd] Seat 1: A2345maybe (small blind) showed [Kc As] and lost with high card Ace Seat 2: sezar114 (big blind) showed [Ad 5d] and won (12600) with a flush, Ace high Seat 3: zNNzOuu1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: tsita250 folded before Flop Seat 5: kaiser1522 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: leo minorrr folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: vlastis folded before Flop Seat 9: mikan2009 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Yes buddy, if you pay attention long enough you can predict what card is coming, and especially WHEN you will be busted. People will say you are paranoid and it's just a downswing and that it's variance. I always say if you go outside at 9am and a bird shits on your head , its coincidence; if the next day you go out at the same time and that same bird shits on your head again, you can say wow that really is a coincidence. But when the 3rd day he shits on your head again, you know it is NOT coincidence. So many will still say it is conncidence. Those are the really stupid ones. They believe anything.
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Posted by PokerDonV73: Yes buddy, if you pay attention long enough you can predict what card is coming, and especially WHEN you will be busted. People will say you are paranoid and it's just a downswing and that it's variance. I always say if you go outside at 9am and a bird shits on your head , its coincidence; if the next day you go out at the same time and that same bird shits on your head again, you can say wow that really is a coincidence. But when the 3rd day he shits on your head again, you know it is NOT coincidence. So many will still say it is conncidence. Those are the really stupid ones. They believe anything.
hmm really good insight, definitely 1 way of looking at it, and i totally agree
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well he already had 1000 in and pot had decent ammount anyways was not very bad call by him u had simply bad luck since u were at SM i would not wonder if BB calls sometimes even with K10 K9 so on anyways important thing is to get in when ahead sooner or later all works your favor
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ya u right he played like perfect donk and got rewarded i miss read ya text earlier no idea how but i didint see 2 players before you called also his showe were stupid
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Posted by grahamy27:
Posted by PokerDonV73: Yes buddy, if you pay attention long enough you can predict what card is coming, and especially WHEN you will be busted. People will say you are paranoid and it's just a downswing and that it's variance. I always say if you go outside at 9am and a bird shits on your head , its coincidence; if the next day you go out at the same time and that same bird shits on your head again, you can say wow that really is a coincidence. But when the 3rd day he shits on your head again, you know it is NOT coincidence. So many will still say it is conncidence. Those are the really stupid ones. They believe anything.
hmm really good insight, definitely 1 way of looking at it, and i totally agree
lol and this is why neither of you will ever improve.
for what it's worth:
AcKs vs Ad5d AK 65.8% to win A5 29.7% to win 4.5% to tie
So, you're going to win the hand slightly under 2/3 of the time, so roughly 1/3 times you won't win. It's not that huge a deal.
------------ Oh just noticed it was blind vs blind too, so he's on bb with 1bb invested already (obviously) and you shove for another 4bb, he pretty much has to iso shove over the top with his 9bb stack.. Wow - that is all so super standard. I can't believe you are crying so much about losing a 5bb shove that you made a thread about it.. You must truly be an awful player, if you get upset about this.
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Posted by jessthehuman: Wow - that is all so super standard. I can't believe you are crying so much about losing a 5bb shove that you made a thread about it.. You must truly be an awful player, if you get upset about this.
Plus hes been doing it on and off for as long as I've been coming to this site, which is about a year and a half. Yet he still keeps playing on pokerstars, and still keeps on providing dubious evidence as to why its rigged.
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Posted by sadamman:
Posted by jessthehuman: Wow - that is all so super standard. I can't believe you are crying so much about losing a 5bb shove that you made a thread about it.. You must truly be an awful player, if you get upset about this.
Plus hes been doing it on and off for as long as I've been coming to this site, which is about a year and a half. Yet he still keeps playing on pokerstars, and still keeps on providing dubious evidence as to why its rigged.
Yeah, I forget who all the regular rigtards are sometimes. There needs to be a way to tag them, like on the poker sites how you can tag players as fish/sharks/donkeys/etc. There should be a way to tag forum members as rigtards, so either we can just not open their threads, or prepare ourselves before we do. Although, the thread title "JOKERstars" was a bit of a give away on this one.
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Ye well jess keep treating them with the same harshness as you always have. I took a break for about a year and some of your harshness towards me stuck in my mind and helped me to improve. Not that i was ever a rigtard, i just would never believe people even when i was being bludgeoned with evidence they weren't bluffing. You helped me overcome this, im by no means perfect now, but less stupid than previously.
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Posted by sadamman: Typical aussie then
Yeah, although interestingly, only by reputation. If you actually look at stats, aussies are pussies when it comes to drinking. The Brits drink us under the table
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I say this not because of 1 bad play or 1 bad beat. If you read well, you will see he says " Jokerstars is continuing its b******t yet again, any major tourney i have played on there recently im getting ripped out by the balls.". That's why I made that comment. And hey, it's not like he is the only one saying this. Why is it that if one reporter says North Korea is building a atomic bomb, everyone believes immediately, and when thousands of people claim that pokertstars is rigged (not after 1 bad beat! but after years of experience!), then so many people still turn a blind eye??
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Posted by PokerDonV73: you will see he says "Jokerstars is continuing its b******t yet again
Yeah, but the example he posts isn't even "b******t". It's a simple standard situation, he's in sb and shoves 5bb into bb who reshoves 9bb. He had a 30% chance of losing and he lost, big fucking deal. It's hardly b******t and if that's he's perspective, then no wonder he thinks things aren't right, he just doesn't understand basic maths and super standard situations.
------------ MTTs are my bread and butter and for every MTT I manage to win, or final table, there'll be another 20 where I bust out vs a weaker hand.. To run deep in an MTT you have to defy the odds; even if you get your money in good every time (which is unlikely anyhow) - you still have to survive, even as a favourite, multiple allins. The reality is - if you go allin preflop as a 60-70% favourite multiple times, the odds are you'll lose one of them.. You have to get really lucky to actually survive to the final table of an MTT. That's right, you need to be really lucky. It's not just a matter of being skilful and getting your chips in good, but you have to be lucky enough to have your hand hold up vs the crap your up against, time and again and most games, sooner or later your hand won't hold and you bust out.. However, MTT payout structures are really top heavy, so if you have the skills, every now and again you'll also get lucky enough and your hands will hold up multiple times in a row and you'll make it to the end.. But these are rare occasions, they keep your bankroll afloat, sure.. But they're still rare.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by sadamman:
Posted by jessthehuman: Wow - that is all so super standard. I can't believe you are crying so much about losing a 5bb shove that you made a thread about it.. You must truly be an awful player, if you get upset about this.
Plus hes been doing it on and off for as long as I've been coming to this site, which is about a year and a half. Yet he still keeps playing on pokerstars, and still keeps on providing dubious evidence as to why its rigged.
Yeah, I forget who all the regular rigtards are sometimes. There needs to be a way to tag them, like on the poker sites how you can tag players as fish/sharks/donkeys/etc. There should be a way to tag forum members as rigtards, so either we can just not open their threads, or prepare ourselves before we do. Although, the thread title "JOKERstars" was a bit of a give away on this one.
If they are the regular rigtards you are the regular BELIEBER..
You will believe anything that happens in online poker and you will defend it always with your stupid comments attacking the people who claim it..
You say that if people dont except the beats they will never improve..well some of them know the game really well and still get shitted on time after time after time..
If they are rigtards you are the BELIEBER of this forum
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Posted by sadamman: Don't you know how to spell believer or do you just like Justin Beiber so much you have substituted 'believer' with 'belieber' in your vocabulary?
Hey Sadamman ...long time no see !! ...
You know what i mean so why ask for an explenation.. Do you feel you have to defend Jess ?? ... i think the man can defend himself..
It was an insult you idiot and yes i did mean belieber as an insult. Now you forse me to explain the obvious wich only makes you look like a douchebag..
Make a comment about the subject or just stay away and hide again..
Btw Jess insults lots of people so i dont feel bad ...just trying to stick up for those who get stamped on for no reason ..
