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Good question, i generally do small raise just to try and discourage any limpers with any 2 and position on me. If the flop came down similar to that, so i am holding the overpair, then i would c-bet. The last thing you want in the hand is people chasing their draws.
Can't say it always works as have been caught out by slow played bigger pockets plenty of times but generally speaking i find this has won more pots than its lost me.
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depends who you are playing against, someone may have come as such a 4 and is cheating can also go all in or go for a bit betting to see if you do reraise is difficult
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I think most of the time id shove or raise, if you made a raise pf and only got 1 or 2 callers, i'd assume you would be ahead most of the time. If you limped pf i sometimes small bet to steal and fold if im raised, alot of people limp with low ace or connector hands (a4, 45 etc)
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id stick a decent bet in on the flop to represesent a bigger pair than 66 and try and take th pot there, id probably bet pot to be fair if it was just a small raise to start with, with a low flop like that after an early raise its not very often somone will have a 4 (mabee 2 of them). after that id be prepared to fold
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To me,....that's always a sticky situation.... But I'd be tempted to throw a decent sized bet at it and see what folks do... I've noticed most of the time they'll fold. If someone drastically raises you,...then fold. If someone calls,...then bet the same amount again. They could fold. If they just call,...check.
You don't want to do anything crazy in case they'll 'trip' you up...
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Yeah it's a funny situation ... Often there are opponents who are willing to call the c-bet or go AI with two overcards like AT+ or KQ or something like that... So most often you are ahead and are likely to get paid so you wanna keep betting.. and if you see big cards on turn/river and the opponent gets aggressive you'll know what to do..
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Posted by PokerDonV73: One of the situations that gets me into trouble many times, is the following.
Suppose you are in a MTT, middle stages, and you get an medium pair, let's say 66. You might do a small preflop raise or even limp.
Suppose you wil play against 1 or 2 other players and the flop is for example 244.
What is the best to proceed when you have a medium to short stack?
G'day mate
Well I must admit that I very rarely play small or mid range pairs. Over the years I have figured out that in general they are long term money losers. I predominately play 10's or better which works very well for me in general. In the situation you are describing however I would most certainly bet in the hopes of taking down the pot immediately. The beat would need to be large enough to make weak hands stop chasing. wishing you all the best. be cool
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Great thread: Playing small-medium PPs on low boards is a really easy way to go broke and a particularly difficult type of hand, that pops up relatively often.
It really depends on the perceived range of villain; the problem is that the sort of hands the call you down on low boards are generally the sorts of hands that have you beat: High PPs, sets, straights, etc.
IMHO, it's probably worth seeing if you can take it down on the flop, but just remember; you're probably only getting one street of value from hands you beat, best if you can play these in position so you can use a bit of pot-control. Most importantly, try not to go broke on boards like this!
Lots of villains will 'peel' another card with over cards (broadways), but probably won't give you value on the turn and the river if they don't improve.. If you get check-raised on the flop, be very wary as often you're facing an over-pair. If you get called on the flop then check-raised on the turn, look out for sets / trips.
Hi, kind of re-iterating the above two posts, namely, do not get yourself into this situation.
If you have built up some respect on the table a decent raise pre-flop to take the pot there and then or fold and wait for something better.
If you still have callers, work out what range you put them on to call your pre-flop raise and then it will come down to feel, often I would try to turn off a card and then bet the turn if I feel it will take down the pot, this reduces the other players potential outs with only one card to come, another thought is you do not really want them to see your mid pair, so taking it down pre-flop or on the turn achieves this or folding early saves all these potentially tricky or trap type situations and the decisions that come with it.
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Just wanna say shoving on the flop is not the thing to do at all, I've done this and been completely owned too many times. I'd say the best thing to do is a strong bet, but proceed with extreme caution, and if someone re raises you there and then, fold. If some one calls, maybe check to them if you're in early position as anyone with a better pocket pair or trips is just gonna call you to the river and then come over the top with a massive re raise on the river.
