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  6-May-13, 18:49   #1
Play money tourney marathon... I'm bored! +2 
yout85 
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Ok... I haven't posted on here for a while and feel like making a thread. So here's what I'm gonna do...

I will register in and play EVERY play money tournament on PokerStars from 8pm GMT to 8am GMT and put all the results and thoughts/comments/conlusions on here. Granted, it's not the most exciting challenge ever, but it should be interesting...

Feel free to join me - Any play money tourney you join in this 12 hour period, I'll be in with you - but if you are on my table, don't expect any chat from me! Smile

...screen name - yout85

....Here goes.

     
  6-May-13, 18:52   #2
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wullie 
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your going to grind 12 hours play money WHY??

     
  6-May-13, 18:54   #3
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yout85 
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So I can say I have.... Because I have nothing better to do.... Because it's good multi-tabling practice....

Because I'm bored.

...I'll also play any freerolls I'm eligible for at the same time.

Edited by yout85 (Monday, May 06, 2013 @ 18:58 GMT)


     
  6-May-13, 19:06   #4
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alakazoo 
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What can the play money tournament make you win?? I just wounder if it really worth that time investment... Why don,t you take this same time to make some freeroll? At least, you would have a chance to make some money if you can reach the prizepool. Maybe

     
  6-May-13, 19:09   #5
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yout85 
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It's not about the money. It's about the challenge. And the experience.

     
  6-May-13, 19:20   #6
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teddybears73 
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gl with that Yout85,maybe if you find a few decent freerolls you can make some cash Thumbs Up
i remember on FT they used to give cash prizes in a play money tourney,buy in used to be 500k
anyone else remember them ?

     
  6-May-13, 19:26   #7
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erru9107 
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Good luck! This will make for some great multi tabling practice as you mentioned! Just transfer this to your real money game and you'll be a winning player no doubt! Smile

     
  6-May-13, 20:10   #8
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pochui 

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any challenge is better than no challenge. @least u have to move your braincells to think of it.

now getting back to the play money to cash conversion - it is possible to do by selling play money to some sites online (rate is about $2-3 for a million playchips). havent tried selling yet, so cannot say if it actually works, but some time ago searched the companies and it looked like there are some legit ones. besides you do not risk anything.

     
  6-May-13, 21:07   #9
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yout85 
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Dropping from 12 to 6 hours #hectic

     
  6-May-13, 21:17   #10
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bullettooth1 

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Posted by yout85:
Dropping from 12 to 6 hours #hectic

Fanny! Get 12 hours done you soft sod Tongue
Only messing mate lol. Good luck with your challenge Thumbs Up

     
  6-May-13, 22:58   #11
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yout85 
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Jeeeeeezzzzz.... Never have I been more happy for a break Smile

Seem to be in around 15 - 20 tourneys at a time... most I've been in so far is 24.

2am will be the cut off for registering, but it'll probably take a few hours after that to finish them all, so it'll probably end up being like a 9 hour session, give or take...

     
  7-May-13, 00:40   #12
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RoninHarper 

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Posted by yout85:
Ok... I haven't posted on here for a while and feel like making a thread. So here's what I'm gonna do...

I will register in and play EVERY play money tournament on PokerStars from 8pm GMT to 8am GMT and put all the results and thoughts/comments/conlusions on here. Granted, it's not the most exciting challenge ever, but it should be interesting...

Feel free to join me - Any play money tourney you join in this 12 hour period, I'll be in with you - but if you are on my table, don't expect any chat from me! Smile

...screen name - yout85

....Here goes.


G'day mate

Best of luck to you mate.
Sounds like an interesting little challenge.
Never would do it myself but i like your thread so i will read it.
be cool

Ronin Cool

     
  7-May-13, 02:09   #13
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yout85 
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Tournies are starting to wind up now.

It's tired me out, so I'll post results tomorrow... For now, a few observations....

Mixing games makes things a lot harder. I wouldn't say don't do it, but I'd say be careful if you do, and know you'll have to be paying attention the whole time. If you mix your draw games, ie draw with any low-ball variant it's VERY tricky to keep on top. The same if you mix any stud game, ie razz and stud hi. I'd advise that if you are going to mix your games, stick to one kind of two card game, one four card, one stud, and one draw... that way you can immediately know what game you're playing by how many cards you have. So a mix of NLHE, PLOH, Razz and 2-7lowball shouldn't be a problem as long as you're experienced enough at each game to make fast decisions. I would advise avoiding altogether any game you're not totally comfortable with.

Tight play is essential while multitabling... firstly, you don't wanna have to make any tricky decisions, so keep your starting hands premium, and secondly, the more hands you play - the more hectic it'll become. It's also important to have strict rules as to when you raise and reraise preflop... that way when a table pops up and there's a flop out, you should be able to tell if you raised or flat called preflop as that will change how you play from there.

I'll think of a few more points tomorrow, but for now - I have three tournies to finish, then bed Smile

     
  7-May-13, 03:17   #14
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demodawggy 

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I guess playing for play money in the beginning might aquaint newcomers to the game with how to play....but I wouldn't see it as any sort of practice as play money and real money games are two different beasts....

It's like the difference of practicing your guitar playing on a cheap department store clunk,.....or a nice Les Paul or Strat.... Big Smile

     
  7-May-13, 03:37   #15
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yout85 
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While it is true that there are huge differences between play money games and real money games, there is still a lot that can be learned from the play money games.

I'm already quite experienced at all forms of poker, and am also experienced at playing multiple tournaments at a time - so my aim wasn't exactly to learn anything myself, but to see what lessons there are to be found to help others.

I have already mentioned a few points that anyone should bear in mind before attempting to multitable. But I intend to list a whole lot more tomorrow once I've got the results on here. In my comments, I'll assume that the readers are already vaguely familiar with each game - and i will focus on the strategy for each game from a multitabling perspective.
I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts once I've got it all up, especially from experienced multitablers. And I also hope to inspire someone who's never tried it to give it a go.

     
  7-May-13, 05:02   #16
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Macubaas 
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I this this challenge could only improve your multi table skills but not your poker skills.

I mean play money is played very differently than real money games. Just my 0.2.

     
  7-May-13, 18:08   #17
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damosk 
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I just couldnt imagine playing one Play money game, let alone 12 hours worth. Does anyone play seriously on there at Pokerstars? Does it give a true reflection of play or are people just 'playing'? Not for me but well done on your dedication to this effort.

     
  7-May-13, 18:10   #18
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yout85 
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Ok... here are the results:

Freerolls - ITM 2/15

Time Out Freeroll - NLH - 718 players - Finished 1st - Qualified for Time Out Freeroll Final
Round One Freeroll - HORSE - 3911 players - Finished 1906th
Bankroll Mob Freeroll - NLH - 5083 players - Finished 148th
Marbella Freeroll - NLH - 487 players - Finished 21st - Qualified for Marbella Freeroll Final
Round One Freeroll - Badugi - 2882 players - Finished 605th
Round One Freeroll - NLH - 9000 players - Finished 434th
Round One Freeroll - Limit 7 Card Stud - 2711 players - Finished 1329th
Poker School Online Freeroll - NLH - 10000 players - Finished 501st
Round One Freeroll - Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 2808 players - Finished 252nd
Round One Freeroll - Limit 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo - 2052 players - Finished 930th
Round One Freeroll - Mixed PLH/PLO - 2488 players - Finished 480th
Bankroll Mob Freeroll - NLH - 2103 players - Finished 1414th
Round One Freeroll - Pot Limit Omaha - 2468 players - Finished 590th
Poker School Online Freeroll - 8399 players - Finished 1790th
Round One Freeroll - NL Omaha Hi/Lo - 2701 players - Finished 270th

Play Money - NLH 8/21 - PLO 15/21 - PLO8 0/1 - NLO 0/1 - FLH 0/1 - MHE 1/2 - MO8 1/1 NL5D 0/2 - HORSE 1/2 - LTD2-7 0/1 - L7S 0/2 - L7S8 0/1 - LBADUGI 0/1 - LRAZZ 0/1 - 8GAME 0/1
NLSD2-7 2/2 - MPLH/PLO 0/1 - Total 28/62

NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 1034 players - Finished 178th - Won 1104
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 1181 players - Finished 271st
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 995 players - Finished 731st
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 793 players - Finished 68th - Won 2710
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 913 players - Finished 528th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 646 players - Finished 201st
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 760 players - Finished 673rd
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 703 players - Finished 140th - Won 1566
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 825 players - Finished 188th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 891 players - Finished 178th - Won 828
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 856 players - Finished 505th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 813 players - Finished 697th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 939 players - Finished 351st
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 737 players - Finished 72nd - Won 2616
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 870 players - Finished 102nd - Won 3097
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 594 players - Finished 225th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 766 players - Finished 327th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 615 players - Finished 118th - Won 985
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 584 players - Finished 404th
NLH - 1000 Buy-In - 779 players - Finished 192nd - Won 682
NLH - 215 Buy-In - 1301 players - Finished 757th
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 301 players - Finished 33rd - Won 2937
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 207 players - Finished 2nd - Won 21460
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 105 players - Finished 30th
PLO - 109 Buy-In - 484 players - Finished 200th
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 179 players - Finished 4th - Won 10878
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 88 players - Finished 16th - Won 1605
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 181 players - Finished 29th - Won 841
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 223 players - Finished 46th - Won 623
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 135 players - Finished 89th
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 187 players - Finished 93rd
PLO - 1050 Buy-In - 586 players - Finished 89th - Won 1523
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 126 players - Finished 4th - Won 15730
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 302 players - Finished 53rd - Won 1513
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 108 players - Finished 26th - Won 961
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 243 players - Finished 69th
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 178 players - Finished 33rd - Won 954
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 115 players - Finished 6th - Won 8588
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 153 players - Finished 72nd
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 163 players - Finished 19th - Won 990
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 99 players - Finished 24th - Won 1406
PLO - 1000 Buy-In - 99 players - Finished 1st - Won 30434
PLO8 - 215 Buy-In - 464 players - Finished 160th
NLO - 530 Buy-In - 299 players - Finished 78th
FLH - 530 Buy-In - 564 players - Finished 317th
MHE - 215 Buy-In - 593 players - Finished 6th - Won 5040
MHE - 109 Buy-In - 453 players - Finished 211st
MO8 - 1050 Buy-In - 376 players - Finished 5th - Won 21056
NL5D - 109 Buy-In - 443 players - Finished 418th
NL5D - 530 Buy-In - 417 players - Finished 130th
HORSE - 530 Buy-In - 297 players - Finished 13th - Won 2821
HORSE - 1050 Buy-In - 260 players - Finished 44th
LTD2-7 - 5200 Buy-In - 192 players - Finished 130th
L7S - 530 Buy-In - 239 players - Finished 56th
L7S - 1050 Buy-In - 157 players - Finished 53rd
L7S8 - 215 Buy-In - 287 players - Finished 54th
LBADUGI - 1050 Buy-In - 218 players - Finished 108th
LRAZZ - 109 Buy-In - 188 players - Finished 54th
8GAME - 5200 Buy-In - 240 players - Finished 106th
NLSD2-7 - 215 Buy-In - 371 players - Finished 4th - Won 4637
NLSD2-7 - 109 Buy-In - 270 players - Finished 23rd - Won 243
MPLH/PLO - 5200 Buy-In - 230 players - Finished 155th


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Firstly, a few points on the "Play money vs Real money" debate...

People DO play "properly" in the play money games - or at least they try to, they just aren't very good. I'd say the standard of play in an average play money game is a lot better than the average standard in a freeroll. Where play money tournaments are full of people trying to learn, freerolls are full of people who know how to play, to a certain extent, that are just looking for a free shot at some cash... I think the play money tournaments are comparable to the very low stakes, so there's definitely a lot that can be learned from them.

I think I played in at least one of each kind of tournament, so now I'll run through them explaining basic strategy, and how to alter that when playing multiple tournaments at once...

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No Limit Hold'em...

When playing multiple NLH tourneys, you'll want to be a lot more selective with your starting hands, so small suited connectors, should be straight in the muck pile for a start. If you try and play a more open game, not only will you be swamped with tables requiring action, you'll also be getting some tough decisions that you won't be able to put the necessary thought into.

My suggested tactics... Raise AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ... call with lower pocket pairs and sutied aces - fold virtually everything else. That way your hardest decision will be whether to call on a nut flush draw, or an overpair and it should steer you away from trouble for the most part. As the blinds get bigger, or your stack smaller, you'll have to open up a bit - so I suggest just pushing all-in or folding... keep it simple!

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Omaha Hi....

Here you'll want to use the same tactics I'd use if I was only playing one tournament... NEVER (or VERY rarely) raise preflop... only limp hands where all 4 cards are doing something - suited aces are your friend... double suited aces are your best friend! After the flop, only call large raises with very strong hands or draws... only raise or reraise with the absolute nuts, or at worst an overfull on a flush/straight board to take advantage of people calling when behind and drawing dead.

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Omaha Hi/Lo....

Only play hands that have high and low potential. Only raise or reraise with the nut high or the nut low... but beware of splitting low pot and losing the high, so it's advisable to only raise with BOTH nuts, or just the high if there's no low possible.

A234 is a great hand in Hi/Lo... as a rule, 75% of players will be gunning for a high hand, so the nut low is equal if not better than holding the nut high, despite the split potential. Again, play tight and wait for the good spots - they will come!

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Stud...

With all stud games, I don't think they lend themselves well to multitabling. You need info on the players and it's hard to get any when multitabling. So I'd suggest avoiding the altogether. If you do choose to play them, play tight aggressive... wait for premium holdings and bet, bet, bet. There's no other real advice I can give here.

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2-7 triple draw....

Again, despite being one of my favourite games, it's not great for multitabling.

Fold any hands requiring 3 cards before the first draw, limp when you need 2 cards to a 7 ie 257, 237, 247 etc etc... raise when you need 1 card for a 7 and raise pat 7s or 8s... you'll almost certainly need to break a pat 87XXX if you get reraised on the 2nd draw, so don't be afraid to do so. Only draw to premium hands... NEVER keep a 9 or higher don't enter a pot without a 2 unless you have a pat 8 (34568). That way you'll avoid trouble spots and should do well.

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2-7 single draw....

Only draw to 10s, nothing higher... fold in multiway pots unless you're drawing to a 9 or better, if you get reraised, it's doubtful a 9 is good... play cautiously and sensibly to make your way through the field, but don't be afraid to get it all in on any 8 or better. If you lose, then so be it.. but these are premium hands so you'll want to get full value from them.

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Badugi....

I hate this game, so my best advice is don't play it Smile But if you want to, only play when you have 3 cards 8 or lower to a badugi... don't chase against someone who's pat, and never raise without a badugi. If you're dealt a 3 card 5 and below, you'll want to raise, but slow down if you get reraised and see how you go.

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I think that just about covers anything, but if anyone thinks I've missed anything, or has any questions, I'll be happy to discuss Smile

Edited by yout85 (Tuesday, May 07, 2013 @ 18:51 GMT)


     
  7-May-13, 19:03   #19
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bullettooth1 

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That's a great post and some great tips and info.
Looks like you ran deep in a lot of tourneys Thumbs Up have you got that out your system now?
What will you be doing now? Why tourneys do you normally play?

     
  7-May-13, 19:23   #20
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yout85 
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Thanks mate Smile

I wouldn't exactly say "got it out my system".... I'm not gonna do another play money thing like that again, but it's got me in the mood to do something else... I just don't know what. (any ideas/suggestions will be appreciated)

My favourite things to play are NLH MTTs.... looking through my results from this thing though, it seems that Omaha is actually my best game, so maybe I'll focus on that a bit more....

I didn't mention in the above post, and I doubt anyone's took the time to add it up, but I went from about 10000 chips to 90000 in that session...





     
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