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  17-May-13, 21:25   #1
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grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
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playing last sat into scoop game and 2 Germans were on the table 1 sat out whole game, got into last 3 and the German woke up and him and his mate went allin every hand to get me out, when i was put out the guy sat out again so his mate got ticket and he got runner up cash!!

i voiced my opinion about it and Jokerstars banned my chat for a month......what a fucking joke!!! Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

     
  17-May-13, 21:43   #2
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Peter7878 

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I know how you feel. That is very bad. It happened the same with me once at 888 poker. I reached the final table. We were six players. The other five players were from Russia. The prize were 5 tickets to a live event in London I think it was. So the five russians were playing all against me, and finally they elliminated me. And all they got the tickets. They helped each other. Also made chip dumping.

After that I informed the 888 support. They investigated that table, but its confidential, they said and I don't know what happened with them.

I was very angry. So, from four months I don't play at 888 and I uninstalled their software from my computer. Often they send me by email some tickets for tournaments, may be to repair their mistake but I am not interested anymore at 888.

Edited by Peter7878 (Friday, May 17, 2013 @ 21:51 GMT)


     
  17-May-13, 22:02   #3
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grahamy27 
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Posted by Peter7878:
I know how you feel. That is very bad. It happened the same with me once at 888 poker. I reached the final table. We were six players. The other five players were from Russia. The prize were 5 tickets to a live event in London I think it was. So the five russians were playing all against me, and finally they elliminated me. And all they got the tickets. They helped each other. Also made chip dumping.

After that I informed the 888 support. They investigated that table, but its confidential, they said and I don't know what happened with them.

I was very angry. So, from four months I don't play at 888 and I uninstalled their software from my computer. Often they send me by email some tickets for tournaments, may be to repair their mistake but I am not interested anymore at 888.




its a joke, and obviously i was angry and voiced that in my email to them, and they reprimanded me and told me to write a nicer email and they would respond..lol Angry Angry

     
  17-May-13, 22:18   #4
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BRADYboy 
Joined: Jun '10
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As much as you know what they are upto you have to prove it and doing that is the hard part but Pokerstars should be doing more to help u out, i always suggest that i will be letting all poker forums know what they are upto if i don't receive cashouts quickly or if i have a problem and feel they aren't helping. Angry Aww crap!

     
  17-May-13, 22:31   #5
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grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
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Posted by BRADYboy:
As much as you know what they are upto you have to prove it and doing that is the hard part but Pokerstars should be doing more to help u out, i always suggest that i will be letting all poker forums know what they are upto if i don't receive cashouts quickly or if i have a problem and feel they aren't helping. Angry Aww crap!



it should be easy enough to prove as it was a 6 man table, 1 german sat out, then when it was 3 of us left he sat in and him and other german took it in turns to go allin against me, once i was out the german sat out again whilst chatting with other german in german

not only that i bought into the game and didnt get a single hand (won 2 by luck) so a total of $107 spent on a $27 game, how dumb am i? Disagree Disagree
That's not nice teddeybears..lol...teasing me in chat.lol

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thats not nice teddy...lol

Edited by grahamy27 (Friday, May 17, 2013 @ 23:29 GMT)


     
  17-May-13, 23:36   #6
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teddybears73 
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sorry mate Big Smile
i had to laugh when i read that,so when i saw you at the table i had to do it.

gl and keep cool Thumbs Up

     
  17-May-13, 23:58   #7
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grahamy27 
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Posted by teddybears73:
sorry mate Big Smile
i had to laugh when i read that,so when i saw you at the table i had to do it.

gl and keep cool Thumbs Up



LLF, goodluck in the game,3 times i had PP and allin against an Ax and i held up Big Smile Big Smile surprised Shock lol

that hand was sick when he hit str8 i'm watchin you Confused

hope to see you on .....final table Question lol

     
  18-May-13, 00:05   #8
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alakazoo 
Joined: Apr '13
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That is a disgusting situation for sure. The same thing just happened to me on partypoker in a double or nothing sit and go. Two guy from moldovia and the collusion was so obvious... When one was shortstack, the other dumped him lots of chips and then fold for no logik reason

Maybe should you, now that you calmed down a bit, write back to star support and explain them the situation. they deserved to be ban in my opinion

     
  18-May-13, 00:15   #9
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grahamy27 
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Posted by alakazoo:
That is a disgusting situation for sure. The same thing just happened to me on partypoker in a double or nothing sit and go. Two guy from moldovia and the collusion was so obvious... When one was shortstack, the other dumped him lots of chips and then fold for no logik reason

Maybe should you, now that you calmed down a bit, write back to star support and explain them the situation. they deserved to be ban in my opinion


i have done it has been referred to the specialist department

     
  18-May-13, 01:44   #10
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jovicakralj 

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Contact PS support with tourney ID. They will look into this and even give you feedback what they deccission is. I reported once, and after few days they give me feed back along with proofs that it wasnt colluding Blink

     
  18-May-13, 01:57   #11
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demodawggy 

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I don't know how those 6 man things work,...but I know on Full Tilt you can choose a table you want to play at. I guess 2 guys could always pick the same table and collude. I don't know if that's possible on PS...

Just keep checking their usernames to see if they're playing at the same tables and/or times and see what you can find out...then maybe give PokerStars the details.... Angry

     
  18-May-13, 03:16   #12
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grahamy27 
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Posted by jovicakralj:
Contact PS support with tourney ID. They will look into this and even give you feedback what they deccission is. I reported once, and after few days they give me feed back along with proofs that it wasnt colluding Blink



yeah i have done that.

demodawggy, its only a 6 man SnG sat. so 5 friends could register if they wanted to.

its been reported just waiting now

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Jokerstars got back and said no collusion! Now correct ne if I'm wrong, but a 6man game, 2 fellow countrymen 1 of whom sits out until final 3, he then sits in they alternatively take it in turns to put me allin, they never play a hand against each other! They put me out then the guy who was sitting out goes back to sitting out whilst chatting to other player....now bearing in mind they are HU playing for 1 $27 ticket.....does that not come across as suspicious?? They are a fucking joke! Angry

Edited by grahamy27 (Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 04:21 GMT)


     
  18-May-13, 08:23   #13
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mies730 

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Posted by grahamy27:
Posted by jovicakralj:
Contact PS support with tourney ID. They will look into this and even give you feedback what they deccission is. I reported once, and after few days they give me feed back along with proofs that it wasnt colluding Blink



yeah i have done that.

demodawggy, its only a 6 man SnG sat. so 5 friends could register if they wanted to.

its been reported just waiting now

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Jokerstars got back and said no collusion! Now correct ne if I'm wrong, but a 6man game, 2 fellow countrymen 1 of whom sits out until final 3, he then sits in they alternatively take it in turns to put me allin, they never play a hand against each other! They put me out then the guy who was sitting out goes back to sitting out whilst chatting to other player....now bearing in mind they are HU playing for 1 $27 ticket.....does that not come across as suspicious?? They are a fucking joke! Angry


This sux Grahamy and I think U are right, but there is whole groups of people using voice contact on stars while playing with their buddies. thing is it is close to impossible to proof for stars, as they can only check what is said in chat... they cant check if people using other chatrooms as skype, msn or other sites. I have had many suppisions in the past especially when playing 50-50's but U cant prove it .....Anyway this sux

best of luck

     
  18-May-13, 08:59   #14
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
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G'day mate

Well I know that there is a lot of collusion that goes on in online poker.
There are 2 University's and nearly a dozen colleges here where I live.
I know that at UNB in comp lab D8 there is a group of guys who get together every weekend and play poker online. The players are all students and from all over the world but they work together and I know that they had made a great deal of cash.
I was asked to join them a few times but I did not do it.
I once reported them to Partypoker and their support staff told me I had no way to prove my allegations and to not bother them again about slanderous unfunded accusations.
I have not played on Partypoker since that day.

be cool

Ronin Cool

     
  18-May-13, 09:09   #15
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photolong 

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hmmm ... always good idea to send a nice email asking for them to look into the situation ... I find stars very good at looking into these type of problems and any other i have .. eg they refunded a lad couple weeks ago when he accidentaly reg for a $50 dollar game when he ment to reg for a $2 ish game

as for the collusion i cant see how them pushing all in against you and not against each other is collusion ... they probably picked up you fold to all ins and if one lad folded other just pushes in ... but if they were friends you are still in the same boat as a normal game against two very agg players that just push all in ... you have to realise they cant always have a hand and make a call with any two cards ... plus turn the tables on them and you start pushing all in ...
anyway better luck next time you try to win a sattelite into a tourney ... just dont spend as much trying .. 50% of buy in max and then not play the game or buy in for full

     
  18-May-13, 13:50   #16
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Mober 
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The best thing you can do about it is to report it and ask for an update if they are giving any.
Cause not all sites giving one.
Some times its very hard to prove it, cause it can happen with just two players with no previous
playing history between them, which they played liked that only cause they were from the same country.
And the player that sat out maybe he/she was after the cash only Smile Just a thought.

     
  18-May-13, 16:51   #17
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Doarulle 
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Have you report them? did jokerstars will payback your ticket or even buy-in ? because jokerstars will block their account and decline the winning, that means they have to give someone else the winnings... one of that should be you. Now i'm wonder if jokerstars play fair or just do anything for money. Hope you'll get your ticket and win some cash Big Smile

     
  18-May-13, 17:27   #18
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grahamy27 
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Posted by photolong:
hmmm ... always good idea to send a nice email asking for them to look into the situation ... I find stars very good at looking into these type of problems and any other i have .. eg they refunded a lad couple weeks ago when he accidentaly reg for a $50 dollar game when he ment to reg for a $2 ish game

as for the collusion i cant see how them pushing all in against you and not against each other is collusion ... they probably picked up you fold to all ins and if one lad folded other just pushes in ... but if they were friends you are still in the same boat as a normal game against two very agg players that just push all in ... you have to realise they cant always have a hand and make a call with any two cards ... plus turn the tables on them and you start pushing all in ...
anyway better luck next time you try to win a sattelite into a tourney ... just dont spend as much trying .. 50% of buy in max and then not play the game or buy in for full



hi i explained the collusion...1 german sits out whole game until final 3 players left, he then sits in, and between them they keep going allin against me, when i get put out, he then goes back to sitting out, when it is Heads Up for 1 ticket...but whilst he goes back to sitting out he is talking in german to the other german.

now if u payed $6 into a game for a $27 would u sit out whole game, then sit in to make it to 2nd then when its HU go back to sitting out? they didnt play a hand against each other

     
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