This is just luck poker i mean yu can be a very skilled player and get screwed on the river have pocket kings and lose too a straight on the river and sometimes pocket aces lose also all the big poker sites dont really care who wins its mostly luck they make money either way GL
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Wrong !!!! They care.....because there is in interest of every poker room to finish the tourney as quickly as it's possible and that's why the bigger stack will win 75 % of hands even when holding totaly absurdal cards like 35 or 47 vs. big pockets....suddenly they beat you with unreal flush or impossible runner runner strite. Give me one real argument against it.......they can and they do that, that's for sure.
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Ya,...and after coming here and claiming they know the poker sites are all rigged,...they go right back and play!
"Here,...I know you've rigged the thing to favour the Russian bingo queen donk beside me who always shoves with JUNK,...but take my money quick so I can transfer more in."
Posted by demodawggy: Ya,...and after coming here and claiming they know the poker sites are all rigged,...they go right back and play!
On face value it seems that way, but gamblers do not think like the average person. We all know the odds of winning on a slot machine are against us, but we all still put money in to the machine in the hope that we'll hit the big score.
I am always of the opinion that poker could be rigged, and I have no proof either way that it is or it isn't, but I'll still play even if the game is rigged. Why, because its my nature to try and take on something that's stacked against me and beat it.
I have absolutely no doubt that pokersites could and would rig the deal if they could get away with it and never be found out. Have they managed to achieve this, I don't know, but that will never stop me playing just because I am not certain. If there were 51 aces in a pack and one king, I'd still play just in the hope that my opponent happened to be the idiot who gets dealt the king..
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Haha rigged is the norm for losing players or on a downswing! Just because you are spewing does not mean the ring rigged, it might actually be a problem closer to home, like you are playing tired?, playing too much hands? Being predictable and so on.
Anyway i'll keep playing poker until there is proof that online is rigged. I mean big proof!
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Why are you still belive there is no cheat in online gambling or online poker ?
Two of 3 biggest Poker Rooms in internet universum was closed during last 2-3 years because of cheating ! No, because someone could proof, that they are cheating ..... My only conclusion is : the whole rest wasn't catch on cheating so far, but it will happen sooner or later, don't be naive....they are just a normal people and if they can to do so, they just doing this to get a bigger profit, it's a human nature.
it is literally impossible to do so in a way that it won't show anomalies.
That is the most nonsensical statement I think I've ever seen on this forum.
It is far from "literally impossible" to hide rigged hands over say 100,000,000,000 hands when you spread those hands over say 300,000 players. supposing you rigged 10 hands for every player on Pokerstars over the course of 10 years. 1 a year. You would never ever spot 1 hand per player in a year being rigged. If you think that would show up on any statistical analysis you are either very stupid, or extremely gullible.
3 million hands over 10 years would be less than 1% of their total hands played, but I can promise you that the money involved in 3 million hands would be absolutely astronomical.
Its actually more likely to be impossible to find any rig if it occurred given the huge numbers of hands played. Not because its not there but because the volume of hands played means if 1% of hands were rigged then the variance would never be spotted but the money involved in that 1% would run into tens of millions of $$$.
I am not saying that poker is rigged, but claiming its "impossible" to do without it being spotted is absolutely laughable and makes you look more stupid than those that think it is...
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Im not saying online poker is rigged but i play live poker at my local casino and often finish on the final table, my last 2 finishes where 2nd and 3rd.. When playing online i find it impossible to get near a final table and its almost always down to bad beats, maybe im unlucky with online poker or there is something fishy going on
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Posted by mascona: Wrong !!!! They care.....because there is in interest of every poker room to finish the tourney as quickly as it's possible and that's why the bigger stack will win 75 % of hands even when holding totaly absurdal cards like 35 or 47 vs. big pockets....suddenly they beat you with unreal flush or impossible runner runner strite. Give me one real argument against it.......they can and they do that, that's for sure.
This!
Happens on every poker site tournaments I have played in. My AA vs J3 off and he hits trips, or my QQ against someones 45 and hits two pair or a fullhouse. Especially the players with more chips than you.
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Posted by bolhec5: Hi mobsters,
In my first post i'd to share with you that all poker places are rigged.
are you including BRM in that statement ? because if you are then i'm inclined to agree as there is something fishy with that goddam safe,i've not won it for a few weeks.
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Does anybody really think that a huge extremely profitable company like PokerStars or any of the other big ones would actually do ANYTHING purposely to cheat people out of their money...? They've got a good thing going with never ending profits of millions and millions of dollars annually.
As long as new people are born by the 10s of thousands every day worldwide, those companies will NEVER run out of new blood and suckers shovelling their money into them.
if any of you guys REALLY believe that they are rigged,...then I have some new computer software that I developed called:
RIG-TARDY
and it's only $39.99 USD payable to me either to my PokerStars account or via PayPal.
It analyses EVERY hand you play on ANY poker site and alerts you if the hand you are playing is being rigged to favour the fat toothless and shirtless Russian sitting beside you at the table shoving with his 9 2 offsuit JUNK...and recommends you fold the hand immediately...
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Let me just change a name of Poker Room in your original post. Please read it again and think about it twice :
"Does anybody really think that a huge extremely profitable company like AbsolutePoker or FullTiltPoker or any of the other big ones would actually do ANYTHING purposely to cheat people out of their money...? They've got a good thing going with never ending profits of millions and millions of dollars annually."
Did you realise that it's absurd ? If not, read it again......
Posted by mascona: Let me just change a name of Poker Room in your original post. Please read it again and think about it twice :
"Does anybody really think that a huge extremely profitable company like AbsolutePoker or FullTiltPoker or any of the other big ones would actually do ANYTHING purposely to cheat people out of their money...? They've got a good thing going with never ending profits of millions and millions of dollars annually."
Did you realise that it's absurd ? If not, read it again......
Spot on...
And lets not forget the largest of all the poker sites was shut down and came with $700million from being prosecuted for fraud.
THe largest poker site in the world commiting fraud and having to blackmail its way out of it... and you say they wouldn't cheat the game if they could to make a few $$$.
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Posted by mascona: Let me just change a name of Poker Room in your original post. Please read it again and think about it twice :
"Does anybody really think that a huge extremely profitable company like AbsolutePoker or FullTiltPoker or any of the other big ones would actually do ANYTHING purposely to cheat people out of their money...? They've got a good thing going with never ending profits of millions and millions of dollars annually."
Did you realise that it's absurd ? If not, read it again......
What happened at Full Tilt had nothing to do with 'rigging' anything. In that case the owner made off with the multimillion dollar pool of player's cash. H e just outright 'stole' their money in one big lump.
In the case of Absolute,...there was nothing 'rigged' automatically to alter cards in favour of the site. It was a case of someone inside the company manipulating the software so he could see all the players hole cards,...and then play his hands accordingly,....and that wasn't in low stakes games either,...like you and 99.9% of the members here play. That was done in high stakes games with HUGE bets and pots with 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars at stake....PER HAND!!!!!!
So no,....I don't believe a large and reputable company like PokerStars is going to do ANYTHING to ruin the good thing they have going...
You may have seen me refer to some of the smaller sites as being 'flim-flam' or whatever. Maybe with some of those sites funny things might start to happen,....but even there I doubt it. The way THEY take your money is by having ridiculous rules about when you can withdraw your winnings and similar kinds of things,.....and maybe some by adding casinos with garbage like slots and roulette...
Now, PokerStars got in trouble too,...but it wasn't by cheating players,.... but rather by making it EASIER for them to get their money INTO the site! As far as I know, in their case it was for circumventing US law regarding things like money transfers to and from their site. Most banks or finacial institutions won't transfer funds to a gambling site,....so what THEY did was set up FAKE front companies with names like ....Bill's Bicycles,....or Grandma's Flower Shop. When a bank sent money,...they would see that the recipient was just a small business of some sort, and unwittingly forwarded the cash... which in that case went offshore.
So I stand by what I said.... No,.....PokerStars or any of the big poker outfits DON'T rig things.... and ESPECIALLY in low stakes games full of losers like you and me...
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i personally see no point in making rigged software - they take your money anyways and do it legally in the form of rake. playing in lower stakes is practically a self-suicide due to the share amount of rake you are paying. with the same roi it takes you to just beat the rake and be a break-even player you would be making a ton of cash in the high stakes.
