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  23-Jul-13, 22:05   #1
Sickest badbeat in my entire life 0 
karas0zero 
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Poland
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 7
I dont know if I shall cry or laugh, but definitly I'm not going to whine or something as it just happens(not to donking russian obv) - here's some pretty sick badbeat I've encouraged today(its not about money I lost, but only about RNG and so called luck).

I was into 60 tourneys(10 of them were MTT, rest sng) and I've managed to achieve following 'results':

- LOST 84% of all-in shoves, where ~53% of them were 'coin flips' with favor on my side(a pair vs 2 high cards), 18% were totaly on my favor(i.e 2 high cards vs 2 low, pair vs 2 low, AA vs Ax), 16% were 'coin flips' on opponent favor), 15% were totaly on opponent favor.

- LOST 57% so called 'monster hands) on various matter(all-ins, calling stations calling any amount and hitting something and ofc some bad plays of mine where I limp ect)


Anyways now I understand why bankroll managment is THAT important. I'm using myself quite agressive managment, as I'm quite succesful sng player and I must admit that today session was quite painful for my poker account.

Edited by karas0zero (Tuesday, July 23, 2013 @ 22:06 GMT)


     
  23-Jul-13, 23:22   #2
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Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
Thats online poker for you. That is why I stick to micro stakes now otherwise my bankrolls would dry up faster than Superman after all those badbeats and bad players.

     
  24-Jul-13, 00:19   #3
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nipitiri3 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Estonia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 614
geez man thats bad luck even if go all in with random cards might get similar results Cool

     
  24-Jul-13, 05:51   #4
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238


One of the most important things you have said is that you realise where you have played some hands badly. It shows you are analysing your game, and trying to find leaks. This shows you understand the game, and you want to change things that could potentially be reasons why you are losing.

I would go back through all of those hands, every single one, and just look at the reasons why you were all in, where it could potentially have been played differently, and see what you can do next time to play a hand differently.

So many players see hands like AK and will go all in against pocket pairs pre flop, then wonder why they lose. Sometimes the need to fold hands like AK is so important.

I am 100% sure that you are the kind of player that will win in the long run because the fact you have come on here and admitted you play hands badly shows you understand your leaks.

If you need help discussing hands, please post some on here. I can guarantee that there will be lots of different opinions on what you could have done differently, but each opinion may help you work out some new strategies.

Good luck keep us posted on how you are getting on, and it will change, I promise you.

     
  24-Jul-13, 05:57   #5
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1346
Posted by fcumred:


One of the most important things you have said is that you realise where you have played some hands badly. It shows you are analysing your game, and trying to find leaks. This shows you understand the game, and you want to change things that could potentially be reasons why you are losing.

I would go back through all of those hands, every single one, and just look at the reasons why you were all in, where it could potentially have been played differently, and see what you can do next time to play a hand differently.

So many players see hands like AK and will go all in against pocket pairs pre flop, then wonder why they lose. Sometimes the need to fold hands like AK is so important.

I am 100% sure that you are the kind of player that will win in the long run because the fact you have come on here and admitted you play hands badly shows you understand your leaks.

If you need help discussing hands, please post some on here. I can guarantee that there will be lots of different opinions on what you could have done differently, but each opinion may help you work out some new strategies.

Good luck keep us posted on how you are getting on, and it will change, I promise you.



Also a typical mistake is going all-in preflop...tr

I try to avoid that as much as possible , try to raise preflop , reraise when you have te cards and watch out when you get 3-bet or 4-bet (this means mostly a monsterhand)

I only go all-in preflop when I a shortstacked

     
  24-Jul-13, 06:01   #6
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
Posted by thefly131:
Posted by fcumred:


One of the most important things you have said is that you realise where you have played some hands badly. It shows you are analysing your game, and trying to find leaks. This shows you understand the game, and you want to change things that could potentially be reasons why you are losing.

I would go back through all of those hands, every single one, and just look at the reasons why you were all in, where it could potentially have been played differently, and see what you can do next time to play a hand differently.

So many players see hands like AK and will go all in against pocket pairs pre flop, then wonder why they lose. Sometimes the need to fold hands like AK is so important.

I am 100% sure that you are the kind of player that will win in the long run because the fact you have come on here and admitted you play hands badly shows you understand your leaks.

If you need help discussing hands, please post some on here. I can guarantee that there will be lots of different opinions on what you could have done differently, but each opinion may help you work out some new strategies.

Good luck keep us posted on how you are getting on, and it will change, I promise you.



Also a typical mistake is going all-in preflop...tr

I try to avoid that as much as possible , try to raise preflop , reraise when you have te cards and watch out when you get 3-bet or 4-bet (this means mostly a monsterhand)

I only go all-in preflop when I a shortstacked



I understand what you are saying, but with hands like AA or KK, then if I have to I will go all in with AA or KK, shortstacked or not. You simply cannot avoid doing it with hands like these.

Otherwise, yes I agree, any other hand, unless you are short and need a double up, all in pre flop is not a good move.

     
  24-Jul-13, 06:19   #7
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1346
Of course AA and KK are strong hands but even then I raise preflop or make a 3-bet when someone raised in front of me.
If you get a 4-bet... then an allin is OK

But if your not shortstacked I should defenitely tr to void allins with JJ, 1010, AQ....

onless your opponent is shortstacked or he s a bingo player who goes allin with anything.


     
  24-Jul-13, 06:22   #8
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
Posted by thefly131:


onless your opponent is shortstacked or he s a bingo player who goes allin with anything.



Which being fair is about 80% of the players on FTP and 98.3% of the players on pokerstars.

Big Smile

     
  24-Jul-13, 20:59   #9
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10039
The raise preflop with hands like AA and KK in sng's never works for me.
I have much more success by going all in than slow playing with raises.

The good thing is that you have realised some of your mistakes and how important
is to use bankroll management.

     
  25-Jul-13, 20:37   #10
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karas0zero 
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Poland
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 7
oh ye, oh ye, just had my A-game since it was almost last money I had left, made it to the FT out of over 400 players and there we go... Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!
If not that TURD then I'am damn CERTAIN that I would made it to the top3 easly.
And you know what? I wouldnt be mad AT ALL if it wasnt that particular player kicking me out. You know why? The only reason why that TURD made it so far is because he won like 5 or 6 such all-ins earlier. How do I know? Well... we were at same table most of the time(not to mention he took half of my chips 2 times earlier)

I'm gong to try some luck tomorrow with those chunks I've got for 7th place and after that Im done with that b******t for quite long time.



edit. Huhu it too much for me, not I only lost all in call AK vs AQ like 5 min ago(dude hit trips obv) on other tourney where I was doing very well + that mentaly challenged TURD won the whole tourney. Can you believe that ? Big Smile


edit2. It was preflop all-in ofc. Dude had second biggest stack on the table, yet he still managed to pull that retarded move just to steal my big blind. I cannot even imagine how does he process informations inside his brain. ~200k stack, blind are 5k/10k, antee 1k, I got 76k chips. Now he does risk 80k chips just to steal 15k.

Edited by karas0zero (Thursday, July 25, 2013 @ 21:10 GMT)

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