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  28-Jul-13, 09:18   #1
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exostenz 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
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Im thinking to help players that are in need with a dollar here and there

Im thinking a pool which some of the more sucessfull players donate into ( possible rewards for donating / contributing to the player hardship fund Smile )

Im thinking when giving out money the player has to do something in return ( come in a certain position in freerolls ?, offer to contribute back to the pool at a rate of x of initial investement give..,


ermm... i dunno its just the start of many things i believe would take this brilliant little forum to the next level.

Bankrollmob is gangster at getting you the bankrolls and information and providing the competitions it does but I feel that the community could pull together 'tighter' so that everyone will benefit.


In the sense that I am thinking we all work as associates of brm and all other associates of brm are closely linked with us so lets get the family spirit going/???
Thumbs Up Cool Cool

     
  28-Jul-13, 09:37   #2
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mies730 

Joined: Feb '13
Location: Netherlands
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 505
I am really likeing the tought behind it........ great to see someone with a positive idea to make BRM even better.

But IMO u dont help people by giving or lending them money. The goal of the forum should be to make better pokerplayers of the people who loose their money ( regulary of every time).

There are so many freerolls and other promotions out there , that its not so hard to make a start with a BR.
Better to give non profitable poker players help to improve their game, better to give ur knowledge then money.

As they will loose the money again and will return asking for more.

If U build a BR from scratch, playing freerolls, U will much more appreciate it.
That way U will handle it with much more care then given money.


But I do really like the fact that U think of brm as a possible closely linked forum with a family spirit Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
Worship

     
  28-Jul-13, 09:52   #3
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
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It's a nice idea. Or pipe dream as i would call it. But as mies said its better give them advice than money. The people who ask for money are not after a game of poker in my opinion. They are only after the money, which is gambling. Which as far as I'm concerned they can do it with their own money, its not anybody elses responsibility but the person who wants to gamble.

     
  28-Jul-13, 23:11   #4
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Mober 
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Well you have good intentions, but i dont think this can lead somewhere good.
It will end up being an endless begging thread for money and nothing more.

     
  29-Jul-13, 01:27   #5
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
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Posted by Mober:
Well you have good intentions, but i dont think this can lead somewhere good.
It will end up being an endless begging thread for money and nothing more.



Spot on, and there are already enough scammers on here as it is. People like Douralle would be taking money off people and refusing to repay it, like he's already done to at least 2 people on here.

I would love to help others, but after my experience with Douralle, never again.

     
  29-Jul-13, 06:51   #6
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
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Posted by fcumred:
Posted by Mober:
Well you have good intentions, but i dont think this can lead somewhere good.
It will end up being an endless begging thread for money and nothing more.



Spot on, and there are already enough scammers on here as it is. People like Douralle would be taking money off people and refusing to repay it, like he's already done to at least 2 people on here.

I would love to help others, but after my experience with Douralle, never again.


G'day mate

I understand how you feel.
I have personally helped out several mobsters in the past.
I have also loaned money out and been burned.
However I have not allowed a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.
I still sponsored the BRM Xmas & Easter games, I even provided some players entry fees for them.
I no longer plan on loaning money to mobsters, but if I see a known mate who needs a few bucks to help them out then I will simply give them the cash as a gift with no strings attached.
My point is do not let one person ruin your generous spirit, just think carefully before helping out others and only give what you can afford to never see again.
be cool mate and I wish you all the best.

Ronin Cool

     
  29-Jul-13, 07:56   #7
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Posts: 1346
Posted by RoninHarper:
Posted by fcumred:
Posted by Mober:
Well you have good intentions, but i dont think this can lead somewhere good.
It will end up being an endless begging thread for money and nothing more.



Spot on, and there are already enough scammers on here as it is. People like Douralle would be taking money off people and refusing to repay it, like he's already done to at least 2 people on here.

I would love to help others, but after my experience with Douralle, never again.


G'day mate

I understand how you feel.
I have personally helped out several mobsters in the past.
I have also loaned money out and been burned.
However I have not allowed a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.
I still sponsored the BRM Xmas & Easter games, I even provided some players entry fees for them.
I no longer plan on loaning money to mobsters, but if I see a known mate who needs a few bucks to help them out then I will simply give them the cash as a gift with no strings attached.
My point is do not let one person ruin your generous spirit, just think carefully before helping out others and only give what you can afford to never see again.
be cool mate and I wish you all the best.

Ronin Cool



Wel have to agree here with Ronin..

He ll certainly know there are some more important issues than money.

The initial idea is good but practically it woould become a disaster as mentioned above ... a lot of new BRM that would beg for money...

I think there are enough ND bonusses and freerolls here to start to built your bankroll


     
  29-Jul-13, 19:30   #8
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
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The idea might work on a much smaller community if you ask me...

On a site as big as BRM which is probably the second largest poker forum is pretty hard to do it.

     
  30-Jul-13, 08:24   #9
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pochui 

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Location: Lithuania
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go ahead make it, maybe along the way someone will join you...if this happens after a while your project may pick up momentum and turn into something big...but it all starts from 0...so if you hve something in mind- go after it, just writing the idea will not make stuff happen. gl with your project

     
  3-Aug-13, 21:47   #10
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exostenz 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 109
ty for all your comments and feedback guys. I will continue with my ideas until i have addressed the potential pitfalls or given up because I cant Smile a nice idea is just that until it is implemented I guess.... a nice idea! again many thanks

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lol as a quick aside all this from someone who has never contributed anything to the forum in the 5 years + I have been a member i have less than 100 posts. well all that is to change I want to become a helpfull member of the forum with an emphasis on new(ish) players as this group is really the only ones I have anything useful to share. My knowledge is not great, I am a losing player but I am trying to work on my game and have shown a winrate over 5k hands recently on stars of 6bbs which is a starting point.

Edited by exostenz (Saturday, August 03, 2013 @ 21:51 GMT)


     
  4-Aug-13, 13:16   #11
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
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I havent read all of your beautiful posts before making my post...maybe I should, but it will turn out like all communities...... there will be some kind hearted souls who want to help those who are most needy. The averagely well off will see that the ones wioth nothing are getting something for nothing and they will want some of it too....so they willclaim to be needy and they will get it and take it from the really needy! Eventually every one gets pizzed off with it all........... Need I say more....?

     
  4-Aug-13, 22:05   #12
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by damosk:
I havent read all of your beautiful posts before making my post...maybe I should, but it will turn out like all communities...... there will be some kind hearted souls who want to help those who are most needy. The averagely well off will see that the ones wioth nothing are getting something for nothing and they will want some of it too....so they willclaim to be needy and they will get it and take it from the really needy! Eventually every one gets pizzed off with it all........... Need I say more....?


Lets not beat around the bush here.

The people who need the money are those that are not good at poker, those with money are those that can play the game.

Giving money to bad players is not going to make them better players. WHat we actually need here is a proper section for theory, hand evaluations, discussion and advive. That way those that struggle to understand the game can learn more and start to get to grips with some of the maths behind the game.

At the moment this site is predominantly used by players who don't have money to play with and need free money via the freerolls and promotions. There are a few that don't rely on the free money, but they are few and far between.

Perhaps we should start to look at finding out who the better players are, and get them mentoring newbies and the less experienced. Get them watching them play and discussing hands where they've either played it wrong, or maybe could have played better.

Rather than giving people money to blow, give them the advice and help they need to make sure they don't blow bankrolls when they get them. Teach them about BRM and the way to keep their heads above water.

Once you've got players willing to understand that they aren't as good as they think they are, then you can look at staking and helping them out with better promotions because ultimately BRM needs better players winning at poker sites, not losers blowing bankrolls as soon as they get them.

Lets start with the basics before trying to get people more money to play with.

     
  5-Aug-13, 20:23   #13
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Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
Posted by fcumred:
Posted by damosk:
I havent read all of your beautiful posts before making my post...maybe I should, but it will turn out like all communities...... there will be some kind hearted souls who want to help those who are most needy. The averagely well off will see that the ones wioth nothing are getting something for nothing and they will want some of it too....so they willclaim to be needy and they will get it and take it from the really needy! Eventually every one gets pizzed off with it all........... Need I say more....?


Lets not beat around the bush here.

The people who need the money are those that are not good at poker, those with money are those that can play the game.

Giving money to bad players is not going to make them better players. WHat we actually need here is a proper section for theory, hand evaluations, discussion and advive. That way those that struggle to understand the game can learn more and start to get to grips with some of the maths behind the game.

At the moment this site is predominantly used by players who don't have money to play with and need free money via the freerolls and promotions. There are a few that don't rely on the free money, but they are few and far between.

Perhaps we should start to look at finding out who the better players are, and get them mentoring newbies and the less experienced. Get them watching them play and discussing hands where they've either played it wrong, or maybe could have played better.

Rather than giving people money to blow, give them the advice and help they need to make sure they don't blow bankrolls when they get them. Teach them about BRM and the way to keep their heads above water.

Once you've got players willing to understand that they aren't as good as they think they are, then you can look at staking and helping them out with better promotions because ultimately BRM needs better players winning at poker sites, not losers blowing bankrolls as soon as they get them.

Lets start with the basics before trying to get people more money to play with.



^ This thread over/

I actually dont care about the free money on here. I come for the good members and the poker talk. I have and make enough from poker that I dont care about spamming the boards for points and rarely play the fulltilt freerolls anymore.

A help sub-forum would be the best bet to get this rolling so people can post threads asking for help anything within those lines. Maybe sub-forums in that sub-forum for each area of things. This may improve traffic as well as some people care more about improving then free money/bonus's.

Edited by Phisix (Monday, August 05, 2013 @ 20:27 GMT)


     
  5-Aug-13, 20:50   #14
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
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i think fcumred has the right idea Worship
people who need help should get it with advice on how to play first and then maybe someone can give them Dollar if they want.
i don't need any money ( although the $50 cash out are very welcome )
but i sure as hell could do with some advice,so maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice is better than just giving away money.
any other ideas anyone ?

     
  5-Aug-13, 21:52   #15
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damosk 
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Posted by teddybears73:
i think fcumred has the right idea Worship
people who need help should get it with advice on how to play first and then maybe someone can give them Dollar if they want.
i don't need any money ( although the $50 cash out are very welcome )
but i sure as hell could do with some advice,so maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice is better than just giving away money.
any other ideas anyone ?


TOTALLY AGREE!

     
  5-Aug-13, 22:43   #16
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grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
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Posted by teddybears73:
i think fcumred has the right idea Worship
people who need help should get it with advice on how to play first and then maybe someone can give them Dollar if they want.
i don't need any money ( although the $50 cash out are very welcome )
but i sure as hell could do with some advice,so maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice is better than just giving away money.
any other ideas anyone ?


spot on. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

i think what might be a good idea is for us to have a weekly home game with low buyin. whoever needs to borrow money could play in these home games and try to win the cash as well as getting some good experience playing within a mobster only homegame

     
  5-Aug-13, 22:49   #17
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
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Posts: 1372
Posted by teddybears73:
maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice


We already have those.

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=33

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=31

     
  6-Aug-13, 00:49   #18
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by teddybears73:
maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice


We already have those.

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=33

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=31


I think that there should be more of an emphasis on BRM to learn the game rather than just giving away free stuff all the time. Go to the biggest free bankroll site on the net, we all know who that is, and the whole thing is based around strategy and learning. That's more what BRM should be like instead of just throwing money at people who in most cases tend to lose it very quickly.

It would benefit everyone, moreso BRM, if players were made to take lessons before being given bankrolls. Maybe more quizzes before they can apply for another bankroll.

Players could earn free bankrolls by proving they are learning the game, and that gives them an incentive to take on board lessons that BRM offers. If they don't take part then they don't get more bankrolls. The better players, and those that are willing to learn will get the most out of the site, and in return will earn BRM more money through playing with their winnings.

Most of all, and I really think this is important, the freerolls need to be members only. Its not difficult to set them up whereby tickets are needed and only BRM members can get them. Most poker sites can sort that out. That way the same players will be in the game and that will give them a much better insight into the game. Go to most forums who run regular freerolls for members, and you find that the standard of play is 2000% better than what you get in our freerolls. When you are playing 2000 people for a share of $20 then no one is going to try, but sharing $20 between maybe 30 people makes is lucrative and means they will try harder.

Its all down to what BRM really wants. Do they want good players, or do they want lots of players. That's the all important question.

     
  6-Aug-13, 03:07   #19
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rbdflyboy 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Canada
Age: 60 (M)
Posts: 1222
Posted by fcumred:
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by teddybears73:
maybe a sub-forum as suggested with tips and advice


We already have those.

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=33

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=list&fid=31


I think that there should be more of an emphasis on BRM to learn the game rather than just giving away free stuff all the time. Go to the biggest free bankroll site on the net, we all know who that is, and the whole thing is based around strategy and learning. That's more what BRM should be like instead of just throwing money at people who in most cases tend to lose it very quickly.

It would benefit everyone, moreso BRM, if players were made to take lessons before being given bankrolls. Maybe more quizzes before they can apply for another bankroll.

Players could earn free bankrolls by proving they are learning the game, and that gives them an incentive to take on board lessons that BRM offers. If they don't take part then they don't get more bankrolls. The better players, and those that are willing to learn will get the most out of the site, and in return will earn BRM more money through playing with their winnings.

Most of all, and I really think this is important, the freerolls need to be members only. Its not difficult to set them up whereby tickets are needed and only BRM members can get them. Most poker sites can sort that out. That way the same players will be in the game and that will give them a much better insight into the game. Go to most forums who run regular freerolls for members, and you find that the standard of play is 2000% better than what you get in our freerolls. When you are playing 2000 people for a share of $20 then no one is going to try, but sharing $20 between maybe 30 people makes is lucrative and means they will try harder.

Its all down to what BRM really wants. Do they want good players, or do they want lots of players. That's the all important question.



For me, this hits the nail right on the head. Thumbs Up Am a member of the other site as well...they have a different business model compared to the one here...not sure they're willing to modify or change the present plan. As for the freerolls yours would be a refreshing change.

To OP there have been members in the past that have given free money to other members. They simply opened a new thread announcing a free money give away..and they're off. The intent wasn't made clear at times...was it kindness? or the result of a big win? Regardless, money was given with no strings attached. Smile

     
  6-Aug-13, 05:14   #20
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
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Posts: 4873
Posted by fcumred:
Its all down to what BRM really wants. Do they want good players, or do they want lots of players. That's the all important question.

+1

if members dnt get what they want, at some point they'll shift to another site.

     
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