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  5-Aug-13, 10:37   #1
ZOOM STRATEGY: suppose i play just aces 0 
exostenz 
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Right then people what would my winrate be if I played just aces on zoom poker?

Just a hypothetical one- any idea on the maths?? Smile

     
  5-Aug-13, 11:00   #2
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ghlskl 
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you'd either:

1. bleed out pretty badly

or

2. bleed out combined with a bad streak that would destroy you

     
  5-Aug-13, 11:02   #3
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zeroster 

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I haven't worked out the maths but it seems pretty obvious to me that with the blinds, the occasions your aces don't hold and then some (if not most) of the pots you do win being relatively small, your likely to end up losing a bundle.

     
  5-Aug-13, 11:10   #4
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Mr_Lance 
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Sitting at a nine person table you'd have to make 37 big blinds profit everytime you hit your aces just to stay ahead of the blinds you've posted to get them. Thats without taking into account the times your aces don't stand up. I'd say you'd be onto a loser here.......

     
  5-Aug-13, 13:53   #5
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demodawggy 

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I agree with the guys comments above! You are only limiting yourself to one card in the deck. If you don't get one in your pocket, you won't be playing the hand. That's an awful lot of hands NOT to play when you HAVE to play hands to win.

This is what I've noticed about 'Ace Chasers'.... MOST of the time they miss their ace, and if all their looking for is a pair of aces,...they're losers before they even wake up in the morning...AND most of the time they never connect with the ace, but rather just get $h!t lucky and connect with their other card... Confused

     
  5-Aug-13, 14:00   #6
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Mober 
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With simple logic its like zeroster said it.
Blinds will keep eating your bankroll, waiting for that pair.
And then you can get one go all in for example and you may win the hand.
But what will happen if everyone else folded or you losing the hand ? Smile

     
  5-Aug-13, 15:29   #7
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vic75 
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If your playing on a final table and are 1 or 2nd in chips then yes you can wait for a big pocket pairs AAKKQQJJ otherwise no not a good idea early in a tournament Cool Cool Cool

     
  5-Aug-13, 15:34   #8
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zeroster 

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Posted by vic75:
If your playing on a final table and are 1 or 2nd in chips then yes you can wait for a big pocket pairs AAKKQQJJ otherwise no not a good idea early in a tournament Cool Cool Cool



Yeah that's ok for tournaments but I think exostenz was referring to zoom cash tables.

     
  5-Aug-13, 20:53   #9
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Macubaas 
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For cash is definately a really bad strategy!

I mean the tons of blinds you will pay until you get aces and then the hands in which you'll lose even with aces will definately make it a losing strategy.

Not sure why but people think zoom poker hand selection is different to normal poker tables, it's really not that different!

     
  5-Aug-13, 21:32   #10
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Phisix 

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Aces are not as great as some people think. Someone could have 22 to KK and flop a set on the flop while you think you are ahead and he slow players you for all of your chips. Plus aces are rare to get as well unless you get a few so you would be wasting your time.

Just stick to premium hands unless you are at late position or on the button.

     
  6-Aug-13, 03:31   #11
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rbdflyboy 

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Pocket A's are my bankroll destroyer...two weeks ago lost full stacks in NL2, 5, 10 in a three day span.
Nearly destroyed my bankroll...managed to grind my way back. You can try it...guarantee you won't like the results. Shock

     
  6-Aug-13, 04:31   #12
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thefly131 
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Posted by zeroster:
Posted by vic75:
If your playing on a final table and are 1 or 2nd in chips then yes you can wait for a big pocket pairs AAKKQQJJ otherwise no not a good idea early in a tournament Cool Cool Cool



Yeah that's ok for tournaments but I think exostenz was referring to zoom cash tables.


Well I play regurlar at terminal poker which only offers fast poker on 4-players or 5 players tables.
They also offer torneys (freerolls and buy-in)

For torneys (especially freerolls) it s can be helpfull to wait for a big starting hand in the beginning and then hope a bingo player goes allin with you.

On cash table the blinds would kill you if yuo only play hands like AA,KK QQ,JJ and AK

important issues for speed poker :

- position play + stealing blinds
- 3-betting
- raise or fold, only make cheap calls on the button or on the blinds
- learn to fold when you face 3-bets and do not have monster hands
- make notes of players ... pays off on the long term

     
  6-Aug-13, 07:55   #13
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fcumred 

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Posted by vic75:
If your playing on a final table and are 1 or 2nd in chips then yes you can wait for a big pocket pairs AAKKQQJJ otherwise no not a good idea early in a tournament Cool Cool Cool



Utter nonsense.

In the early stages of a game when the blinds t ostack ratio is so low you should be playing as tight as possible, and waiting for premium hands. Only when the blinds are a lot higher and take up a greater percentage of your stack should you consider playing lower hands.

I seriously do not understand where you came up with this idea, but there is not a poker book or pro that would tell you to loosen up at the start and then tighten up at the final table.

If you have a big stack and you are at the final table you should be bullying your table with absolutely any two cards forcing them into decisions they really don't want to make.

     
  6-Aug-13, 08:30   #14
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Heskor 
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Yeah as said by many, you'll blind out and sometimes when you do all in you'll lose or sometimes when you raise get called they will hit a set and you will lose or better you raise and only collect the blinds lol.

Just play tight like 15 % of the hands at first then you can expand when you get better.

Good luck!

     
  6-Aug-13, 11:09   #15
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pochui 

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bad strategy, better try this: fold everytime until you are in in late position, steal from there if no one else enters the pot before you, just do a min raise. not sure this will make you a ton of cash, but 100% that this strategy will be way more profitable than the "just aces"one. gl update us with your findings

     
  6-Aug-13, 17:16   #16
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exostenz 
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Thanks for your comments everyone. Just wanted to take a sip from your minds Cool meanwhile see my new thread on WHAT IF I PLAYED EVERY HAND lol and also would I lose less money if I estopped playing ... heheh only joking....

I wrote the thread purely because someone told me once that he played purely aces and kings and made a ton of money... so wuz just throwing it out there...

Me on the other hand personally im an unorthodox player and do not fit into any category except one ... at the minit im a losing player... but not for ever... BRM i love u BTW Smile

     
  6-Aug-13, 20:44   #17
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Macubaas 
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All the poker strategies you wrote down are losing poker strategies for sure...

Well at least the last one where you quit playing poker might be a winning one since you stop losing your own money lol

     
  3-Sep-13, 07:19   #18
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SuperpokefA 
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At zoom tables you would be a losing player.
The blinds would eat you alive.
When you hit your Aces or even Kings and you go all in you're not sure
that you lake a big win.
Players with a HUD will immediately notice that you only raise 1 or 2% of your cards which will
make them fold their cards they would normally raise or call with

     
  3-Sep-13, 08:47   #19
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vsemoje 
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poker is game of blinds so u have to steal in zoom even more because u get more folds.But u have to be very carefull when u get resistence.

     
  3-Sep-13, 14:49   #20
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mascona 

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Hit big and run....protect your winning $$$ . Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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