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  6-Aug-13, 01:01   #1
was this a bad call twice? 0 
arrow-knee- 

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just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

Edited by arrow-knee- (Tuesday, August 06, 2013 @ 01:04 GMT)


     
  6-Aug-13, 01:38   #2
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vic75 
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It wasn't a bad call you were ahead pre flop on both hands just bad luck was it on Joker Stars Question Question Question

     
  6-Aug-13, 02:27   #3
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paulparadiis 

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Posted by arrow-knee-:
just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

Was that a heads-up game? And was that a sit&go or a cash game or a tournament? And how big were the stacks, there is so much you need to know about the situation, to say if it was good or bad.

     
  6-Aug-13, 04:48   #4
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thefly131 
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Posted by paulparadiis:
Posted by arrow-knee-:
just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

Was that a heads-up game? And was that a sit&go or a cash game or a tournament? And how big were the stacks, there is so much you need to know about the situation, to say if it was good or bad.



Agree here with Paul

There s more info needed to evaluate if the calls were OK or not

- type of game , cash, torney or freeroll (level : begin or deep)
- stack sizes
- position
- notes on this player

Strictly looking to your and his hand , you were in front preflop 2 times...

     
  6-Aug-13, 05:04   #5
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Nick177C 
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Bad luck twice, agree to the first answer always on jokerstars, see it to much there Aww crap!

     
  6-Aug-13, 06:09   #6
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shokaku 

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Unless you had a read on the two opponents or a huge stack, both calls are bad. KQ and espacially T9 are no hands to call an all in with. Thats is pure gambooool.

     
  6-Aug-13, 11:43   #7
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arrow-knee- 

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Posted by paulparadiis:
Posted by arrow-knee-:
just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

Was that a heads-up game? And was that a sit&go or a cash game or a tournament? And how big were the stacks, there is so much you need to know about the situation, to say if it was good or bad.



it was a 7$ hyper turbo 6 players top 2 paid 4 people left in the first situation on my left folded top went all in my right folded i call i had around 800+- chips he had 350+-

in situation two left folded top folded right went all in i call he had 550+- i had 450+-

im still trying to get hand statistics from pokerstars normally i get them imediatlyO.o

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here is a better view

PokerStarshand #102362959929: Toernooi #770344435, $6.71+$0.29 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 05/08/2013 23:45:47 CET [05/08/2013 17:45:47 ET]
Tafel '770344435 1' 6-max Plaats #5 is de button
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (657 in chips)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (593 in chips)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (1036 in chips)
Plaats 6: lisa240 (714 in chips)
LogikHemp: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet de ante 10
arrow-knee-: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet small blind 50
LogikHemp: zet big blind 100
*** GESLOTEN KAARTEN ***
Gedeeld aan arrow-knee- [Kc Qd]
knockoutdj: foldt
arrow-knee-: raiset 100 naar 200
lisa240: foldt
LogikHemp: raiset 447 naar 647 en is all-in
arrow-knee-: callt 447
*** FLOP *** [Jd Jc 4c]
*** TURN *** [Jd Jc 4c] 2 of spades
*** RIVER *** [Jd Jc 4c 2s] 8 of diamonds
*** SHOWDOWN ***
LogikHemp: toont [8c Qc] (twee pair, Boeren en Achten)
arrow-knee-: toont [Kc Qd] (een pair Boeren)
LogikHemp won 1384 van pot
*** SAMENVATTING ***
Totale pot 1384 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Jc 4c 2s 8d]
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (big blind) toonde [8c Qc] en won (1384) met twee pair, Boeren en Achten
Plaats 4: knockoutdj foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (button) toonde [Kc Qd] en verloor met een pair Boeren
Plaats 6: lisa240 (small blind) foldde voor de Flop



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

PokerStarshand #102362994527: Toernooi #770344435, $6.71+$0.29 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 05/08/2013 23:46:32 CET [05/08/2013 17:46:32 ET]
Tafel '770344435 1' 6-max Plaats #2 is de button
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (1324 in chips)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (663 in chips)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (369 in chips)
Plaats 6: lisa240 (644 in chips)
LogikHemp: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet de ante 10
arrow-knee-: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet small blind 50
arrow-knee-: zet big blind 100
*** GESLOTEN KAARTEN ***
Gedeeld aan arrow-knee- [Td 9c]
lisa240: foldt
LogikHemp: foldt
knockoutdj: raiset 553 naar 653 en is all-in
arrow-knee-: callt 259 en is all-in
De niet-gecallde bet (294) is geretourneerd aan knockoutdj
*** FLOP *** [5c As 4d]
*** TURN *** [5c As 4d] 3 of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [5c As 4d 3d] 6 of hearts
*** SHOWDOWN ***
knockoutdj: toont [7d Th] (een straight, Drie tot Zeven)
arrow-knee-: toont [Td 9c] (high card Aas)
knockoutdj won 758 van pot
arrow-knee- is op de 4e plaats in het toernooi geëindigd
*** SAMENVATTING ***
Totale pot 758 | Rake 0
Board [5c As 4d 3d 6h]
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (button) foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (small blind) toonde [7d Th] en won (758) met een straight, Drie tot Zeven
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (big blind) toonde [Td 9c] en verloor met high card Aas
Plaats 6: lisa240 foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)

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its dutch but u should still be able to read what happend by the numbers and order

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u see i was wrong about a few things that happend here is the spicifics was it a good or bad call?

Edited by arrow-knee- (Tuesday, August 06, 2013 @ 11:50 GMT)


     
  6-Aug-13, 15:51   #8
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paulparadiis 

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Posted by arrow-knee-:
Posted by paulparadiis:
Posted by arrow-knee-:
just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

Was that a heads-up game? And was that a sit&go or a cash game or a tournament? And how big were the stacks, there is so much you need to know about the situation, to say if it was good or bad.



it was a 7$ hyper turbo 6 players top 2 paid 4 people left in the first situation on my left folded top went all in my right folded i call i had around 800+- chips he had 350+-

in situation two left folded top folded right went all in i call he had 550+- i had 450+-

im still trying to get hand statistics from pokerstars normally i get them imediatlyO.o

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here is a better view

PokerStarshand #102362959929: Toernooi #770344435, $6.71+$0.29 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 05/08/2013 23:45:47 CET [05/08/2013 17:45:47 ET]
Tafel '770344435 1' 6-max Plaats #5 is de button
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (657 in chips)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (593 in chips)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (1036 in chips)
Plaats 6: lisa240 (714 in chips)
LogikHemp: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet de ante 10
arrow-knee-: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet small blind 50
LogikHemp: zet big blind 100
*** GESLOTEN KAARTEN ***
Gedeeld aan arrow-knee- [Kc Qd]
knockoutdj: foldt
arrow-knee-: raiset 100 naar 200
lisa240: foldt
LogikHemp: raiset 447 naar 647 en is all-in
arrow-knee-: callt 447
*** FLOP *** [Jd Jc 4c]
*** TURN *** [Jd Jc 4c] 2 of spades
*** RIVER *** [Jd Jc 4c 2s] 8 of diamonds
*** SHOWDOWN ***
LogikHemp: toont [8c Qc] (twee pair, Boeren en Achten)
arrow-knee-: toont [Kc Qd] (een pair Boeren)
LogikHemp won 1384 van pot
*** SAMENVATTING ***
Totale pot 1384 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Jc 4c 2s 8d]
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (big blind) toonde [8c Qc] en won (1384) met twee pair, Boeren en Achten
Plaats 4: knockoutdj foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (button) toonde [Kc Qd] en verloor met een pair Boeren
Plaats 6: lisa240 (small blind) foldde voor de Flop



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

PokerStarshand #102362994527: Toernooi #770344435, $6.71+$0.29 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 05/08/2013 23:46:32 CET [05/08/2013 17:46:32 ET]
Tafel '770344435 1' 6-max Plaats #2 is de button
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (1324 in chips)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (663 in chips)
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (369 in chips)
Plaats 6: lisa240 (644 in chips)
LogikHemp: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet de ante 10
arrow-knee-: zet de ante 10
lisa240: zet de ante 10
knockoutdj: zet small blind 50
arrow-knee-: zet big blind 100
*** GESLOTEN KAARTEN ***
Gedeeld aan arrow-knee- [Td 9c]
lisa240: foldt
LogikHemp: foldt
knockoutdj: raiset 553 naar 653 en is all-in
arrow-knee-: callt 259 en is all-in
De niet-gecallde bet (294) is geretourneerd aan knockoutdj
*** FLOP *** [5c As 4d]
*** TURN *** [5c As 4d] 3 of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [5c As 4d 3d] 6 of hearts
*** SHOWDOWN ***
knockoutdj: toont [7d Th] (een straight, Drie tot Zeven)
arrow-knee-: toont [Td 9c] (high card Aas)
knockoutdj won 758 van pot
arrow-knee- is op de 4e plaats in het toernooi ge�digd
*** SAMENVATTING ***
Totale pot 758 | Rake 0
Board [5c As 4d 3d 6h]
Plaats 2: LogikHemp (button) foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)
Plaats 4: knockoutdj (small blind) toonde [7d Th] en won (758) met een straight, Drie tot Zeven
Plaats 5: arrow-knee- (big blind) toonde [Td 9c] en verloor met high card Aas
Plaats 6: lisa240 foldde voor de Flop (bette niet)

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its dutch but u should still be able to read what happend by the numbers and order

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u see i was wrong about a few things that happend here is the spicifics was it a good or bad call?


The first one was a bad call, you were in a really good position, no need to risk it with a KQ.
The second was not that bad, you were shortstacked, and the BB, already had almost a third of your stack in the middle, so it was not that bad. But the first one, no need to risk it. You don`t wanna be calling with that, raising is another thing though...

     
  6-Aug-13, 19:47   #9
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arrow-knee- 

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yeah i knew some1 would say that but do take in count the whole table long was one big bluff fest by people but yeah i see why u call that a bad call

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yeah i knew some1 would say that but do take in count the whole table long was one big bluff fest by people but yeah i see why u call that a bad call

     
  6-Aug-13, 19:49   #10
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paulparadiis 

Joined: May '09
Location: Estonia
Age: 27 (M)
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Posted by arrow-knee-:
yeah i knew some1 would say that but do take in count the whole table long was one big bluff fest by people but yeah i see why u call that a bad call

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yeah i knew some1 would say that but do take in count the whole table long was one big bluff fest by people but yeah i see why u call that a bad call

These sit&go`s usually always end in a shove-fest. But you want to be the one shoving not the one calling, unless you really have a good hand.

     
  6-Aug-13, 20:20   #11
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fcumred 

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Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
1st hand. Awful call. No reason whatsoever to be calling with KQ when you're well stacked. Calling for almost half your stack with a very weak hand is plainly idiotic. Instafod.

2nd hand - Not much else you can do. Shortstacked and folding leaves you in a position where they will call your shove with any two cards . You have to call and just pray...

So in short, one is a good call, one is a bad call. The sad thing is the bad call was the one that cost you the most because you could and should have folded and you'd most probably have made the money.

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Posted by arrow-knee-:
yeah i knew some1 would say that but do take in count the whole table long was one big bluff fest by people but yeah i see why u call that a bad call


You failed to remember the most important lesson that so many never listen to.

If everyone is playing loose, then play tight. If they are playing tight play loose.

As you said its a bluff fest ( which hypers tend to be ) then sitting and doing nothing whilst they KO each other is by far the most sensible option. Doing what they do is the sure fire way to get screwed over.

Even if you know they are bluffing KQ is simply not strong enough to risk 1/2 your stack with. Its just simply a very weak hand, and one that should have been mucked without even a thought.

Now were you the one to shove with KQ then that's a different story altogether. You are putting the pressure on your opponent to make a decision. You should take the initiative and be the aggressor not react to aggression.

Edited by fcumred (Tuesday, August 06, 2013 @ 20:25 GMT)


     
  6-Aug-13, 22:56   #12
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arrow-knee- 

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so what ur saying is if i wanted to play the KQ in the first place shove it all in instead of a small raise that leads other people to go all in hmm good point thank you and yeah is still think its pretty fucked up i lost with the kq vs the q8 but yeah like youve said probably shouldn't have done that in the first place then i would have been shoved out l8ter u make a very valid point ty for the good evaluations ^^ Big Smile

     
  6-Aug-13, 23:11   #13
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TigerAxL 

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Posted by arrow-knee-:
just a quesiton didnt get the hand history yet but i call all in with KQ os the guy show Q8 os he hits 8 on the river

2 hands l8ter another guys goes all in i call with 9 10 a little anoyed about the qK thingy but ok i call i have 9 10 suited hearts he show 10 7 os he hits straight on the turn and river... 3 to 7 .....

i know these hands aren't the best but in a situation were its 1v1 coinflip all in how much chance does q8 os have against qkos and how much does 97 os have vs 9 10 s?

if u where in bubble ....for shure bad bet (twice) ,depends on what time of the game u where
and more important on what platform u where (some of them with 9T suited u can make lot of damage)

     
  6-Aug-13, 23:13   #14
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arrow-knee- 

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Location: Netherlands
Age: 23 (M)
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yeah i rememberd wrong the hand is a bit down it was 9 10 os vs 7 10 os

     
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