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Constant suck outs to calling stations fishes and constantly getting my massive calls beaten by their lame card hands. I am not one for saying poker is rigged but something is going on when all these players seem to win by playing like idiots. To make it worse when you think "if you cannot beat them join them" and they still win. Theres a guy now who keeps winning every coin flip when I am ahead every time.
Anyone else feel this way or is it just me because I am on the edge of going on a serious tilt if this keeps happening right now?
Posted by Phisix: Constant suck outs to calling stations fishes and constantly getting my massive calls beaten by their lame card hands. I am not one for saying poker is rigged but something is going on when all these players seem to win by playing like idiots. To make it worse when you think "if you cannot beat them join them" and they still win. Theres a guy now who keeps winning every coin flip when I am ahead every time.
Anyone else feel this way or is it just me because I am on the edge of going on a serious tilt if this keeps happening right now?
Ahead is not the nuts. Do yourself a favour take a time out and study reverse implied odds. Might just save you some money and headaches down the road. Reverse implied odds happen when one doesn't have the nuts. You have to take in account all the cards to come that make your hand second best when they hit. One example of this is when one your discounted outs hits creating a flush on the river killing your hand. When all is said and done, if your RIO are greater than your IO then fold. If not, a call, bet, raise is justified and if you lose the hand then knowing your action is correct indicates variance. Hope this helps
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I never said I had the nuts. I know about that but its just constant with the suck outs. Flush draw or straight draw the always hit it whether im betting or all in. AA getting cracked but crap. Just now had 1010 flop comes crap below and two hearts, I go all in because I know he is a fish and has a flush draw. Turns out he had A4hearts and hit it. Guy just now tried to donk his last little bit of money after I crushed his K9 against my KK when I hit a set on the flop on the next hand. I had 99 and he has K4o. Guess what he lucks out with? K, but it also sets up two way straights if he had the cards.(That did not matter as it was small money) but yeah I am going to have a break now I just doubled up and won a bit back.
It just annoys me how these players get lucky so much even when they have nothing but they just hit. I know it happens but it just drives me insane. Thanks for the reply though.
Then play SSS (short stack strategy), that way you can at least control the variance somewhat. You can change up later when your runnin good Did't mean to imply you had the nuts, it's when we don't, is where the RIO lower our probabilities in a given situation. Recently lost three full stacks at NL2, 5, 10 holding A's pre. Each one was AI. All happened in three sessions in three days. That's quite a hit to a bankroll, can empathize with you here. It's not fun , it;s just, sh1t happens.
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Firstly you are not 'always ahead' and to make such a statement is arrogant at best. It also shows a 'I have the best and deserve to win attitude which will make even the best players go bankrupt.
Secondly, if it's a coin flip, you aren't ahead.
Thirdly, I refer to... Just now had 1010 flop comes crap below and two hearts, I go all in because I know he is a fish and has a flush draw. Turns out he had A4hearts and hit it.
You went all in on just a pair. That is your first mistake. You 'know' he has a flush draw, that is your second mistake, you might think he does, his range may well suggest it and there could be a good chance of it but you don't 'know'. Again arrogance. In addition, off the top of my head he had at least 25% odds, so it wasn't exactly a 2% outer on the river.
I suggest instead of criticizing your opponents you sit down with a shed load of hand histories and criticise yourself. You may well find the leaks in your game that you can plug to become a better player.
I remember once, when complaining about river cards shafting me, a wise man once said 'well why are you getting to the river so much?' And that one sentence changed my game more than anything so far.
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I know how annoying it is mate but that example with 10 10 wasn't the best example. He had like 33% pre flop so 1 in 3. Post flop he had 42%, pretty much a coin flip. I know you were still ahead but not as much as you'd think. What annoys me more is say you have aj, and raise to have a donk call. Then the flop comes something like a4j. You raise, he goes all in, you call. He has A4. You have him absolutely dominated. Then he hits a 4. Thats the type of s**t I'm faced with on a daily basis.
Posted by sadamman: I know how annoying it is mate but that example with 10 10 wasn't the best example. He had like 33% pre flop so 1 in 3. Post flop he had 42%, pretty much a coin flip. I know you were still ahead but not as much as you'd think. What annoys me more is say you have aj, and raise to have a donk call. Then the flop comes something like a4j. You raise, he goes all in, you call. He has A4. You have him absolutely dominated. Then he hits a 4. Thats the type of s**t I'm faced with on a daily basis.
The most annoying are the donks that always seem to get a runner runner after the flop to knock people out.
the worst example that ever happened to me:
I had AJ suited on a AJ8 rainbow flop. I put i a pot size bet the donk raises all in and I call. We had similar size stacks about 3 times average stack size at that point. The other player had less than 1BB more than I did.
the other player turns over an A10 unsuited. His only chances are either runner runner 10's or runner runner KQ orQK.
The turn is a K
The river is a Q
I'm out of the tournament and before I close the window the idiot actually calls me a sucker.
the worst thing was it was a satellite to the Pokerstars Sunday Millions and it was close enough to the bubble that if I had won I could of checked and folded all the way unitl the bubble broke and I would have won an entry into the Sunday Millions. Unfortunately my stack size before that hand wasn't big enough for that to work.
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Please don't take me as arrogant I just know I "should" have them beat but they keep calling until they hit(or dont) something better even though they shouldn't. I try to raise big enough so they would only call when they have decent hands themself and not crap but that never happens much. Obviously in my super tilt haze I forgot to realize they have more outs and such so as usual I just need to keep reading up and trying to fix when I tilt to things. Maybe I should just value bet more and if they hit the straight or flush I just fold. Take the fold and get more chances next time when they dont hit?
I do play SS as I only go in with half the buy in but I must have been on tilt so more BR down the drain per standard in that situation. I did win some of it back before I gave it a rest so I can just revise on my probs and start folding more/earlier if I know somethings going to hit which improves their hands even if they do call with every bet/raise.
Liking the replys so keep them coming.
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Posted by shokaku: Where is the problem?
You have figured out the secret of success for online poker.
Just start playing like an idiot, and see the money flow your way.
Because I don't want to play like those, but I guess it could not hurt on a table full of them or I just leave. I can handle normal fish and tight players it just the super callers. Live and learn I guess.
As i always say variance a bitch you got to ride it out.
Just keeps improving your game and put in the volume bad beats will becomes a things of the past! You'll be able to sustain variance much more.
Work on your mental game as i always say. And take a break if you tilting work wonders.
Good luck man!!
This 100%. Just my mind was gone and I love to moan(As do everyone) Variance, down-swings and up-swings so i guess just stick to my game and I should be alright as long as I keep trying to improve.
I can handle normal fish and tight players it just the super callers. Live and learn I guess.
