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  9-Aug-13, 00:44   #1
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Phisix 

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I need to ideas which will hopefully help me against the limp and then call your raise type players. A few players for the last hour have been limping in and I raise with my premium hands and they keep on calling. 50% of the time it is harmless but the other 50% they are hitting big hands on the flop with rubbish like 69o, 47o or A3o etc and its starting to get annoying as they either hit big on the river or flop a straight draw etc.

Any tactics or tips to help me stop this players calling or what not? I am still up in profits but £5 extra down from some good wins earlier so this is not me moaning this time just looking for some help against these people.

     
  9-Aug-13, 00:55   #2
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nipitiri3 
Joined: Nov '11
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any hand can lose if u raise preflop i learned to accept that
its gamble and at micro stakes is more donks than at higher stakes Big Smile

     
  9-Aug-13, 01:15   #3
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Phisix 

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Yeah I know that and I know I am not 100% to win but its just annoying how the limp and always raise. That and when theres a flush draw and they are beat with just a draw any raise you do then donk and always win. Which just happened when I had QQ but was surprised by the person who did it as he is normal a TAG and never does that.

Any tips would be helpful though if anyone has anyway decent ones.

     
  9-Aug-13, 01:43   #4
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rbdflyboy 

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Ever hear of Small Ball. Many are playing this style at lower limits. The object is to crack big hands which means they'll call raises or call you down with pretty near anything. This style makes one unpredictable and very difficult to put them on a range. Sounds like they have a read on you and are small balling you. One can combat this by playing SSS, it has worked for me in the past. Buy in as short as possible then it's shove or fold. Whack em a couple of times and they'll leave or smarten up. You can control variance somewhat this way as well by limiting your losses to the minimum when your hand goes south. There is a specific hand range to adhere to that makes one predictable which just might get them thinking a bit more or not. It's not about the money, their egos get a boost by cracking big hands with junk. So if your in it with these people you can expect variance to be high unless you run really good.

     
  9-Aug-13, 01:45   #5
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vic75 
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This stuff happens a lot on Poker Stars you flop the nut straight and then boom you lose on the river too a flush its a game of fish with a lot of outs on the river happens a lot on micro stakes Confused Confused joker stars in full effect Disagree Disagree

     
  9-Aug-13, 02:05   #6
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Phisix 

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Posted by rbdflyboy:
Ever hear of Small Ball. Many are playing this style at lower limits. The object is to crack big hands which means they'll call raises or call you down with pretty near anything. This style makes one unpredictable and very difficult to put them on a range. Sounds like they have a read on you and are small balling you. One can combat this by playing SSS, it has worked for me in the past. Buy in as short as possible then it's shove or fold. Whack em a couple of times and they'll leave or smarten up. You can control variance somewhat this way as well by limiting your losses to the minimum when your hand goes south. There is a specific hand range to adhere to that makes one predictable which just might get them thinking a bit more or not. It's not about the money, their egos get a boost by cracking big hands with junk. So if your in it with these people you can expect variance to be high unless you run really good.


I cannot be that predictable as I do go a bit looser when a few of them are around and works when they fold and I steal but I am more of a TAG but try and change when it does not work. I do raise bigger with bigger hands but when I am in good position I do raise with suited connectors and small hands like Q9(My fave lower hand) Since my original post I have ran quite well and I won everything back plus more. Sometimes they try and bluff so I call them then the next street they bet with weakness so I just raise(With a second or third best hand of course or air) and they fold so they are more predictable then me 90% of the time.

     
  9-Aug-13, 02:09   #7
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arrow-knee- 

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i actually know how to deal with those people cause i used to play like that xD

but your prob won't take any advice of a guy who has lost 35$ in 1 day so i won't bother xD Big Smile Big Smile

     
  9-Aug-13, 02:25   #8
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Phisix 

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Every little helps mate. Whether it good tips or tips from someone who used to think like them it all helps towards hopefully making me a better play. Smile

     
  9-Aug-13, 02:49   #9
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rbdflyboy 

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Posted by Phisix:
Posted by rbdflyboy:
Ever hear of Small Ball. Many are playing this style at lower limits. The object is to crack big hands which means they'll call raises or call you down with pretty near anything. This style makes one unpredictable and very difficult to put them on a range. Sounds like they have a read on you and are small balling you. One can combat this by playing SSS, it has worked for me in the past. Buy in as short as possible then it's shove or fold. Whack em a couple of times and they'll leave or smarten up. You can control variance somewhat this way as well by limiting your losses to the minimum when your hand goes south. There is a specific hand range to adhere to that makes one predictable which just might get them thinking a bit more or not. It's not about the money, their egos get a boost by cracking big hands with junk. So if your in it with these people you can expect variance to be high unless you run really good.


I cannot be that predictable as I do go a bit looser when a few of them are around and works when they fold and I steal but I am more of a TAG but try and change when it does not work. I do raise bigger with bigger hands but when I am in good position I do raise with suited connectors and small hands like Q9(My fave lower hand) Since my original post I have ran quite well and I won everything back plus more. Sometimes they try and bluff so I call them then the next street they bet with weakness so I just raise(With a second or third best hand of course or air) and they fold so they are more predictable then me 90% of the time.


Very well done then. So why would you not want these people to be in the hand...long term they'll go broke and hopefully to you. Smile If one gets their money in good and loses then in the short term it's variance. Long term you should be a winning player. So if raising 4x-6xBB +1BB for every limper does not get them of their hands and they are calling these raises with junk, one can only hope our hand holds up becoz no one has control over which cards hit the board. Smile It's the nature of the beast.

     
  9-Aug-13, 03:23   #10
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Phisix 

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The problem is countless of these in a session gets to me and my play goes bad until I calm down which happened earlier but as soon as I calmed down I went back on to crush the tables. I guess they just call hoping to hit a hand of some sort and win big. I have seen them run good for a while doing this but eventually lose everything they made. I do enjoy it when they call you down like say you have Ak/Aq/A10 and board comes A710 and they have A2 and they think they have the hand.

Variance like you said I guess just need to find a way to stop my tilting times.

     
  9-Aug-13, 09:15   #11
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pochui 

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dunno, it's really trial and error until you find what works for you...if you don't like to be called by limpers and then try to figure out what they have- go all in, at least this takes care of the post flop play issues, and besides you said u raise with premium hands, now it depends what your goal is there- to steal the blinds or to get into the hand with +ev cards...if you just want the blinds, go all in without other thoughts...if u want to get into post flop action with what u think is +ev holdings, then you need to drill your post flop play...

     
  9-Aug-13, 15:27   #12
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Phisix 

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Stealing blinds wont work as they call regardless of their hands. I have one now who has been calling 90% of all hands since that person joined the table. I have figured his play out now as with the biggest hand on the flop that person will raise big, smaller hands he will min raise and a straight or flush draw he will keep calling so I need to be more aggressive when he has a draw or lower hand(When I have a bigger one) I will see how it goes and take my time so I make no mistakes.

Edit:

Nope just kept on calling and winning. Just had JJ on the button they both limped in so I raised big and the worst caller actually folded for once and the other went on to donk so I called knowing I had a better hand. He turned over 77 and of course hit a 7. I blame it to running bad so I can get over it but all these hands they hit are just sick. They keep calling and always hit a better hand or straight. No matter they both left now so theres no more silly players.

Edited by Phisix (Friday, August 09, 2013 @ 15:44 GMT)


     
  9-Aug-13, 21:11   #13
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Macubaas 
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In this type of situations(on cash not on mtt or sng) i usually make a much bigger raise preflop than your regular3-4x...

At beginning they will call for sure but most of them just see the flop, a nice sized CB on the flop usually make them to fold.

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In this type of situations(on cash not on mtt or sng) i usually make a much bigger raise preflop than your regular3-4x...

At beginning they will call for sure but most of them just see the flop, a nice sized CB on the flop usually make them to fold.

     
  10-Aug-13, 00:43   #14
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Phisix 

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Some do but a small minority keep calling. Just had a guy suckout on me with nothing and lower than my hands both times. Variance so I don't mind. Just trapped a calling station with AK vs her AJ. Flop gave me a K for TPTK so I checked knowing she would try and bluff and she did so I check-raised her double what she small bet and she donked all in hoping I would fold due to me bluffing. Nice to get one over on them. Big Smile

     
  10-Aug-13, 07:25   #15
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
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I know...

I know...

I know...

If you know so much, why are you here asking for help?

When can you be on today, I will try and deposit, I wanna play you.

     
  10-Aug-13, 09:45   #16
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yout85 
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Phisix - Players calling your bets when you have premium hands is not a bad thing. It's EXACTLY what you want.

The only tips I can give you is ALWAYS follow up bet, around 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot... When you have missed the flop, you will take it down fairly often with your flop bet. If you get raised, throw your hand away and wait for the next good one. If you get called, assume the opponent has some kind of hand, and re-evaluate your situation after the turn. If you hit the flop, still do the same follow up bet and hope to get raised or called down to the river.

The pots you win will be much larger than the pots you lose, and in the long term, getting called with junk is MASSIVELY in your favour.

     
  10-Aug-13, 13:16   #17
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Phisix 

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Posted by IceQueenAce:
I know...

I know...

I know...

If you know so much, why are you here asking for help?

When can you be on today, I will try and deposit, I wanna play you.


No, I "think" I know which is not the same as knowing. I am a man so I think I know everything whereas I don't which is why I ask for tips and stuff. But if you want to keep crashing my threads with your high tone arrogance reply's then carry on. Unlike everyone else who have been helpful in one way or another. In the future I will put I "think I know" to make you happy as it seems you have a problem with me in one way or another.

Won't be on until tonight as going pub and getting hammered.

     
  10-Aug-13, 13:22   #18
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IceQueenAce 
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ok let me know when you are back Smile

For the record once I have played you, I will tell you some of your leaks

     
  10-Aug-13, 13:48   #19
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arrow-knee- 

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u gotta do that with me sometime xD

cause my leaks are like dam's ripped open Shock

     
  10-Aug-13, 13:53   #20
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IceQueenAce 
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always happy to, helps me look at my own game

     
  10-Aug-13, 15:35   #21
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Phisix 

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You don't have to tell me my leaks I most probably have leaks with everything. Came home as knackered and called it a night dont know if I can be arsed to do anything.

     
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