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  15-Aug-13, 19:51   #1
Hand Analysis 0 
Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
Just looking for thoughts on this hand and whether it was stupid or the right decision and he just donk lucked out. I had a feeling he was either on AJ-K or a flush draw and I had a small feeling I was ahead with that flop.

** Game ID 5002783010 Version:4 starting - 2013-08-15 20:41:53
** Anonymous - €10 Max (190750) [Hold'em] (0.05|0.10 NL - € Cash Game seats:6 ) Real Money

- Phisix sitting in seat 1 with €6.48 at end €0.00
- Player 2 sitting in seat 2 with €8.38 at end €8.38
- Player 3 sitting in seat 3 with €11.59 at end €11.59 [Dealer]
- Player 4 sitting in seat 4 with €10.20 at end €10.15
- Player 5 sitting in seat 5 with €12.49 at end €18.37
- Player 6 sitting in seat 6 with €20.10 at end €20.10

Player 4 posted the small blind - €0.05
Player 5 posted the big blind - €0.10
** Dealing card to Phisix: 6 of s, 6 of d
Player 6 folded
Phisix raised - €0.40
Player 2 folded
Player 3 folded
Player 4 folded
Player 5 called - €0.30
** Dealing the flop: 5 of h, 2 of c, 8 of c
Player 5 checked
Phisix bet - €0.50
Player 5 raised - €1.00
Phisix raised - €1.00
Player 5 raised - €1.00
Phisix went all-in - €4.58
Player 5 called - €4.08
Phisix shows: 6 of s, 6 of d
Player 5 shows: A of s, Q of h
** Dealing the turn: Q of d
** Dealing the river: 2 of h
Player 5 wins €12.36 from the main pot

Thanks in advance.

Edit: And this one. Wtf hell is going on, rigged or just running bad with the worst luck ever.

** Game ID 5002802960 Version:4 starting - 2013-08-15 20:54:17
** Anonymous - €10 Max (190750) [Hold'em] (0.05|0.10 NL - € Cash Game seats:6 ) Real Money

- Phisix sitting in seat 1 with €10.14 at end €0.00 [Dealer]
- Player 2 sitting in seat 2 with €8.96 at end €8.91
- Player 3 sitting in seat 3 with €10.81 at end €10.71
- Player 4 sitting in seat 4 with €11.87 at end €11.87
- Player 5 sitting in seat 5 with €16.00 at end €16.00 [Sitting out]
- Player 6 sitting in seat 6 with €20.46 at end €29.73

Player 2 posted the small blind - €0.05
Player 3 posted the big blind - €0.10
** Dealing card to Phisix: K of d, A of h
Player 4 folded
Player 6 raised - €0.30
Phisix raised - €0.70
Player 2 folded
Player 3 folded
Player 6 raised - €2.30
Phisix called - €1.90
** Dealing the flop: 2 of h, 4 of h, 8 of h
Player 6 checked
Phisix checked
** Dealing the turn: 8 of d
Player 6 bet - €8.00
Phisix went all-in - €7.54
Player 6 returned - €0.46
Phisix shows: K of d, A of h
Player 6 shows: A of s, 5 of s
** Dealing the river: 3 of s
Player 6 wins €19.41 from the main pot

Sick.

Edited by Phisix (Thursday, August 15, 2013 @ 19:56 GMT)


     
  15-Aug-13, 20:00   #2
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
Poor play by villain... Mildly optimistic play by you.

If they were willing to call all-in on a flop after hitting nothing, then they have no reason not to shove all in pre-flop...

I would've probably put them on A8 after the reraise on the flop and would have likely folded and waited for a better spot... but you made the right play on this occasion, though I wouldn't think the same play with 6 6 in that situation would be positive EV in the long run.

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As for the second hand - it was sick, but you should never JUST call for a quarter of your chips preflop... if you're willing to call that much, put the rest in and make him make the expensive mistake instead of having a decision (or multiple decisions) after the flop.

Also... I wouldn't call a bet double the pot with one card to come with just a draw... You're never gonna be getting the right odds there.

Edited by yout85 (Thursday, August 15, 2013 @ 20:06 GMT)


     
  15-Aug-13, 20:08   #3
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Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
I know the villain had more outs on the first one was a TAG so he would not play A8(I would hope) which is fair enough but the second one was a fish so I thought he had nothing and was trying to scare me with his bigger chip stack and I thought I had more outs so had to call. Do you think I should have played those hands differently?

     
  15-Aug-13, 20:16   #4
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
Personally....

On the first hand I would have been more conservative, and the second a lot more aggressive.

The 6s I would've folded at the reraise on the flop and limit my losses to €0.90, knowing that if ANYTHING over a 6 comes off on the turn, it will be impossible to call another bet - and I wouldn't want to get all in on that flop, especially against a TAG player, because you're only REALISTICALLY get called by a hand that's way in front. The fact that in reality you were 65/35 fave is kinda irrelevant. You had no REAL way of knowing that.....

The AK I would've put him all in after his €1.90 raise - that play is only bad if the opponent has AA or KK. The way you played it, you gave him a shot at winning, and he struck lucky. Pushing preflop reduces his chance at a chance, if you know what I mean.

     
  15-Aug-13, 20:19   #5
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Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
Noted and thank you for your Analysis.

     
  16-Aug-13, 02:22   #6
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5682
Although you've never really struck me as a 'rigtard' dude,...you did mention the word 'rigged'... Poker is PLAINLY a 'Game of Chance'... EVERYTHING involved with poker is pure chance...

You can bend it a little in your favour by bullying or bluffing,...but even then,...it's 100% chance that someone will respond to your move or action favourably for you...

I don't know if I'd invest too much with a pair of 6s to begin with,...but like 'you' said.... It was 'optimistic'... I would be more inclined to have played the other guys hand JUST the way HE did... Smile

     
  16-Aug-13, 07:30   #7
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
On the first hand the villain has no idea about poker really, i mean going all in on that flop without having a pair at least it's just stupid...

On the other hand in your place i would not go all in with just a pair of sizes, there i would have put the villain on a overpair frankly.

     
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