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Just looking for thoughts on this hand and whether it was stupid or the right decision and he just donk lucked out. I had a feeling he was either on AJ-K or a flush draw and I had a small feeling I was ahead with that flop.
** Game ID 5002783010 Version:4 starting - 2013-08-15 20:41:53 ** Anonymous - €10 Max (190750) [Hold'em] (0.05|0.10 NL - € Cash Game seats:6 ) Real Money
- Phisix sitting in seat 1 with €6.48 at end €0.00 - Player 2 sitting in seat 2 with €8.38 at end €8.38 - Player 3 sitting in seat 3 with €11.59 at end €11.59 [Dealer] - Player 4 sitting in seat 4 with €10.20 at end €10.15 - Player 5 sitting in seat 5 with €12.49 at end €18.37 - Player 6 sitting in seat 6 with €20.10 at end €20.10
Player 4 posted the small blind - €0.05 Player 5 posted the big blind - €0.10 ** Dealing card to Phisix: 6 of s, 6 of d Player 6 folded Phisix raised - €0.40 Player 2 folded Player 3 folded Player 4 folded Player 5 called - €0.30 ** Dealing the flop: 5 of h, 2 of c, 8 of c Player 5 checked Phisix bet - €0.50 Player 5 raised - €1.00 Phisix raised - €1.00 Player 5 raised - €1.00 Phisix went all-in - €4.58 Player 5 called - €4.08 Phisix shows: 6 of s, 6 of d Player 5 shows: A of s, Q of h ** Dealing the turn: Q of d ** Dealing the river: 2 of h Player 5 wins €12.36 from the main pot
Thanks in advance.
Edit: And this one. Wtf hell is going on, rigged or just running bad with the worst luck ever.
** Game ID 5002802960 Version:4 starting - 2013-08-15 20:54:17 ** Anonymous - €10 Max (190750) [Hold'em] (0.05|0.10 NL - € Cash Game seats:6 ) Real Money
- Phisix sitting in seat 1 with €10.14 at end €0.00 [Dealer] - Player 2 sitting in seat 2 with €8.96 at end €8.91 - Player 3 sitting in seat 3 with €10.81 at end €10.71 - Player 4 sitting in seat 4 with €11.87 at end €11.87 - Player 5 sitting in seat 5 with €16.00 at end €16.00 [Sitting out] - Player 6 sitting in seat 6 with €20.46 at end €29.73
Player 2 posted the small blind - €0.05 Player 3 posted the big blind - €0.10 ** Dealing card to Phisix: K of d, A of h Player 4 folded Player 6 raised - €0.30 Phisix raised - €0.70 Player 2 folded Player 3 folded Player 6 raised - €2.30 Phisix called - €1.90 ** Dealing the flop: 2 of h, 4 of h, 8 of h Player 6 checked Phisix checked ** Dealing the turn: 8 of d Player 6 bet - €8.00 Phisix went all-in - €7.54 Player 6 returned - €0.46 Phisix shows: K of d, A of h Player 6 shows: A of s, 5 of s ** Dealing the river: 3 of s Player 6 wins €19.41 from the main pot
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Poor play by villain... Mildly optimistic play by you.
If they were willing to call all-in on a flop after hitting nothing, then they have no reason not to shove all in pre-flop...
I would've probably put them on A8 after the reraise on the flop and would have likely folded and waited for a better spot... but you made the right play on this occasion, though I wouldn't think the same play with 6 6 in that situation would be positive EV in the long run.
------------ As for the second hand - it was sick, but you should never JUST call for a quarter of your chips preflop... if you're willing to call that much, put the rest in and make him make the expensive mistake instead of having a decision (or multiple decisions) after the flop.
Also... I wouldn't call a bet double the pot with one card to come with just a draw... You're never gonna be getting the right odds there.
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I know the villain had more outs on the first one was a TAG so he would not play A8(I would hope) which is fair enough but the second one was a fish so I thought he had nothing and was trying to scare me with his bigger chip stack and I thought I had more outs so had to call. Do you think I should have played those hands differently?
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Personally....
On the first hand I would have been more conservative, and the second a lot more aggressive.
The 6s I would've folded at the reraise on the flop and limit my losses to €0.90, knowing that if ANYTHING over a 6 comes off on the turn, it will be impossible to call another bet - and I wouldn't want to get all in on that flop, especially against a TAG player, because you're only REALISTICALLY get called by a hand that's way in front. The fact that in reality you were 65/35 fave is kinda irrelevant. You had no REAL way of knowing that.....
The AK I would've put him all in after his €1.90 raise - that play is only bad if the opponent has AA or KK. The way you played it, you gave him a shot at winning, and he struck lucky. Pushing preflop reduces his chance at a chance, if you know what I mean.
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Although you've never really struck me as a 'rigtard' dude,...you did mention the word 'rigged'... Poker is PLAINLY a 'Game of Chance'... EVERYTHING involved with poker is pure chance...
You can bend it a little in your favour by bullying or bluffing,...but even then,...it's 100% chance that someone will respond to your move or action favourably for you...
I don't know if I'd invest too much with a pair of 6s to begin with,...but like 'you' said.... It was 'optimistic'... I would be more inclined to have played the other guys hand JUST the way HE did...
