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  27-Aug-13, 04:22   #1
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Location: Netherlands
Age: 23 (M)
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so yeah i was disccusing with a few(yes multiple) support guys the entire conversation took about 2 hours or more xD
for anyone interested in actually reading the whole conversation let me know am i right or not? Big Smile



All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. An operator will be with you shortly. Or feel free to open a help desk ticket for timely assistance.
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Welcome to Live Support my name is Henry how may I be of assistance?
Henry: Hello
gratje11@hotmail.com: hi i got a sign up bonus but as i understand i can never cash it out correct? if so then why can i play real cash games?
Henry: How are you today ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: >??\
Henry: What were the games that you have played ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: i just bhought tickets in the 5 cent games bit that is not an awnser but a question please awnser the following
gratje11@hotmail.com: i got a sign up bonus but as i understand i can never cash it out correct? if so then why can i play real cash games?
Henry: The bonus that you received is for you to test the games
Henry: Like PullTabs , Bingo , 9line slots that have bonus in their name
gratje11@hotmail.com: well i bhought tickets to a real one
Henry: On Bingo rooms , right ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: bingo hall
gratje11@hotmail.com: nickels room
Henry: We gave you that amount in order to have fun on the games .
gratje11@hotmail.com: but
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i win
gratje11@hotmail.com: then people who put in real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: lose money
gratje11@hotmail.com: but i gain nothing
gratje11@hotmail.com: ???
gratje11@hotmail.com: ??
Henry: If you are referring to chat games you cannot play and win those chat games
Henry: Since you only become eligible if you make a deposit
Henry: And yes , if you win from the sign up bonus on any games , you cannot cashout .
gratje11@hotmail.com: i just bhought tickets
Henry: Enjoy the games .
gratje11@hotmail.com: for real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: with fake money
gratje11@hotmail.com: can you comprehend this or are you a wall that im talking to?
Henry: I am real person my friend .
Henry: Smile
Henry: It's only fun money
Henry: Try out the games , see how they play
gratje11@hotmail.com: no listen
gratje11@hotmail.com: and actually read what i am saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: i know cannot win money
gratje11@hotmail.com: but i can take other peoples real money with my fake money
Henry: Sorry ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: exactly
gratje11@hotmail.com: i have fake money but
gratje11@hotmail.com: i can play in real money lobbies
gratje11@hotmail.com: as i just did
gratje11@hotmail.com: so if i win
gratje11@hotmail.com: i wil get the real moeny from them and it becomes fake money
gratje11@hotmail.com: but they all lose their real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: so the only one winning is bingohall
Henry: The point in the sign up bonus is for you to test the platform and see how it goes
Henry: Other sites don't let their members try out the real rooms and games
gratje11@hotmail.com: because its illegal
gratje11@hotmail.com: to do so
Henry: No , it's not .
gratje11@hotmail.com: oh really
gratje11@hotmail.com: so its ok to scam people in losing real money
Henry: This is only and strictly in your opinion
Henry: Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: its not
gratje11@hotmail.com: look ill explain
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i win i get nothing they will lose something
gratje11@hotmail.com: this is 100% fraud
gratje11@hotmail.com: you can't deny it
Henry: We have depositing players that are currently playing on free money
Henry: Courtesy of the account managers
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes but
gratje11@hotmail.com: not all of them
gratje11@hotmail.com: so there are people most likely more then 70% of this site
Henry: That makes no difference , people are playing with whatever funds they have
gratje11@hotmail.com: with a real money balance
gratje11@hotmail.com: no it does
Henry: Whether for fun or not .
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: for fun means fun real means real
gratje11@hotmail.com: look
gratje11@hotmail.com: its like this
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
gratje11@hotmail.com: ??
Henry: This is an open community and anyone can play whatever the choose
gratje11@hotmail.com: please awnser my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: is that fair?
Henry: Are we going on presumptions here ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: no im asking a question
gratje11@hotmail.com: and would like to have an awnser to that question
gratje11@hotmail.com: so again
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: Well , monopoly bucks are for fun and fun only .
Henry: And real money is for real money .
gratje11@hotmail.com: so?
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair? yes or no
Henry: This is trial money , all of our customers have equal chances in winnings .
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats not my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
Henry: Your question really has no direct correlation to the Bingo site .
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes it does
gratje11@hotmail.com: pleas eawnser it
gratje11@hotmail.com: please*
Henry: Look my friend , all of our members have equal chances in winning whether they are playing on bonus or on real cash .
Henry: The monopoly money is not equivalent to our bonuses
Henry: The fact that you cannot cash the winnings is related to the rules on the website .
gratje11@hotmail.com: the fact that my question is not being awnserd isn't reall supprotive
gratje11@hotmail.com: supportive
gratje11@hotmail.com: i would like a awnser to my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: cause if you state that
gratje11@hotmail.com: The monopoly money is not equivalent to our bonuses
gratje11@hotmail.com: why are you having a problem awnsering my question?
gratje11@hotmail.com: so again
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: What would the question directly being related to the experience here at Bingo , be ?
Henry: Do you find this as being a question related to our platform , experience , fun and real winnings ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: never heard of hypotethicly speaking
Henry: You simply just want a general answer
gratje11@hotmail.com: no the quesiton is related
gratje11@hotmail.com: i indeed state the monopoly money hypothaticly as free bingo money not stating it is the same but even so your refusel to awnser my question makes it more related
gratje11@hotmail.com: so again
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: We are talking about 2 different things
gratje11@hotmail.com: no we are not
Henry: You comparing the bonus with Monopoly money , isn't quite fair , is it ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: will you please be (supportive)
gratje11@hotmail.com: and awnser it
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes or no is pretty easy awnser
Henry: Please understand that the bonus we give is real and the fact that it's fun money prior to your first deposit , does not make it less real .
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes it is
gratje11@hotmail.com: the terms tate
Henry: The real question is : do you like playing for fun or for money .
Henry: Easy as that .
gratje11@hotmail.com: as soon as first deposit is made
gratje11@hotmail.com: all bonusses are voided
Henry: Yes because they cannot be cashed out .
gratje11@hotmail.com: that makes in not real also the fact that in isnt in the real money spot
gratje11@hotmail.com: makes it not real
gratje11@hotmail.com: because you cannot cash it out its not real
gratje11@hotmail.com: so basicly monopoly money so again
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: Do you understand the difference between FUN and REAL ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats why im asking this question
gratje11@hotmail.com: cause its bringin fun money and real money to the same case
Henry: So do I , and the comparison is not a viable one .
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats were the comparision lies thats is a fact you cannot break down
gratje11@hotmail.com: so henry please
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: It's Henry
Henry: With a capital H
Henry: Please
gratje11@hotmail.com: Henry please
gratje11@hotmail.com: if we bet on something u put in 10$ i put in 10 monopoly bucks is that fair?
Henry: I am sorry , I really cannot carry this conversation with you based on this level of agreement
gratje11@hotmail.com: wait let me refraise that for your if we play a bingo game u put in 10$ i put in fake bonus money that can never be real is that fair?
Henry: If you are to discuss facts , than please listen .
gratje11@hotmail.com: please awnser my question
Henry: People play either for fun either for real
gratje11@hotmail.com: please awnser
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes or no the only reason were notg etting any further in this conversation is your problem with awnsering a question
Henry: Listen , do you have any other questions about our site ? Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: it was the first real question i asked you and you never awnserd
gratje11@hotmail.com: this is my most importent one and i wish to be awnserd not to be ingored
Henry: In regards with our activity here ?
Henry: Terms and conditions ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: this whole thing is about the terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: its the reason i came here
gratje11@hotmail.com: because the terms state its as fake and never to be real and only for fun
Henry: To ask me about a bet with real money and Monopoly money ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yet it can be mixed with the real tables
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats why they call it hypotheticly speaking
gratje11@hotmail.com: you ask something in an example
gratje11@hotmail.com: let me put it direct for you then
gratje11@hotmail.com: if 9 people put in 10$ in a bingo game and i put in 10 fake bonus bucks is that fair
Henry: It's not fake bonus bucks , this is what I am trying to tell you
gratje11@hotmail.com: would you call it real?
Henry: It's an incentive we give you , if you are lucky , congratulations
Henry: As I'
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: would you call the bonus real money
Henry: As I've said , all members have equal chances
gratje11@hotmail.com: would you call the bonus real money?
gratje11@hotmail.com: wait i will awnser for you SadHenry: It's not fake bonus bucks )
gratje11@hotmail.com: so your saying its real
gratje11@hotmail.com: but real money can be cashed out correct?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: so this money cannot
Henry: Well , it seems that you already got all the answers .
gratje11@hotmail.com: then the differnce is that its not real
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: so here comes the question
gratje11@hotmail.com: if 9 people put in 10$ in a bingo game and i put in 10 fake bonus bucks is that fair?
gratje11@hotmail.com: weve just established the bonus money is fake
Henry: Listen , let me pass you to my direct supervisor , because I feel a certain disagreement in our conversation .
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Luke'.
You are not currently in a chat session.
Welcome to Live Support my name is Luke how may I be of assistance?
gratje11@hotmail.com: hi
gratje11@hotmail.com: your support guy henry denies to awnser my question
Luke: Hi Gerard.
gratje11@hotmail.com: assuming u have the chat transcription will you awnser it for me or isnt anyone there being supportive?
gratje11@hotmail.com: do you have the chat transcription?
Luke: Yes I do
gratje11@hotmail.com: if 9 people put in 10$ in a bingo game and i put in 10 fake bonus bucks is that fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
Luke: Yes. And let me tell you why.
Luke: First of the bonus is not fake.
Luke: Then
gratje11@hotmail.com: please explain why its not fake
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
Luke: How would you feel if you came to a party and the only place you were allowed in would be a single solitary room?
gratje11@hotmail.com: depends if other people are there else it would be a boring party but please why is it real?
Luke: In a moment.
gratje11@hotmail.com: go right ahead
Luke: What we are doing here is trying to avoid the scenario I just pictured. Thus all members have access to all bingo rooms so that you can fully enjoy the gaming experience we have to offer
Luke: Grantred
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats really nice but
Luke: Granted*
gratje11@hotmail.com: it does not awnser my question
Luke: The bonus we offer as an incentive is not cashable itself
gratje11@hotmail.com: you sad
gratje11@hotmail.com: the the bonus money is real
gratje11@hotmail.com: is its real it has value else its fake
Luke: Nor the winnings made with it prior to your first deposit
gratje11@hotmail.com: and your terms clearly state the followin
gratje11@hotmail.com: follwoing*
gratje11@hotmail.com: i qoutr
gratje11@hotmail.com: qoute*
gratje11@hotmail.com: 8.4.8 Once the Player makes the first deposit, previous winnings made from Sign-Up Bonuses will be voided, as they are considered free and have no actual value
gratje11@hotmail.com: as they are considered free and have no actual value
Luke: I know the rule.
gratje11@hotmail.com: so no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: not real
gratje11@hotmail.com: so if its not real please give an awnser to this question other then yes because its real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: if 9 people put in 10$ in a bingo game and i put in 10 fake bonus bucks is that fair
Luke: This does not make it fake. It has no value indeed but it does offer a real gaming experience
Luke: If you get lucky a longer one
gratje11@hotmail.com: no it has nothing to do with expierince
gratje11@hotmail.com: expirience*
gratje11@hotmail.com: it has to do with
gratje11@hotmail.com: people losing real money to fake money
Luke: But Gerard I will have to disagree with you here
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc please explain why
Luke: That is the core of what we offer here
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc your offering a nice social playin envoirment
gratje11@hotmail.com: but
gratje11@hotmail.com: it comes with gambling
gratje11@hotmail.com: gambling and real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: and bonus wich are not real money but are allowed within the real money sector
gratje11@hotmail.com: if the bonus had a wager to make it real what you were saying is 100% correct but as it does not have a wagering for real money oyur 100% mistaken
gratje11@hotmail.com: your*
gratje11@hotmail.com: im sure you can comprehend this
Luke: Pretty sure I do to Smile
Luke: MAy I now?
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc else it wouldn't be a discussion^^
gratje11@hotmail.com: but a speech
Luke: True Smile
Luke: To continue on what I was saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: so please continue
Luke: Since what we offer is a great gaming experience and not merely an eating money fount one might desire to know what one pays for. On this note one must be allowed to have it. Thus the money with no apparent value came along. But all the members that now did put in the real $10 first played with the no deposit bonus
Luke: Hence they know that this is the way the site works
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes i aknowledge this
gratje11@hotmail.com: but that does not redeem it fair
Luke: Perfect so far
Luke: well
Luke: Sorry
Luke: You were saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: again if the bonus had a wagering i would 100% agree that its fair but because it has not its all fun and games but the money won with the bonus goes into the pocket of bingohall
Luke: Now this is the difference between playing for fun or ofr real
Luke: *for
gratje11@hotmail.com: exactly
Luke: And this is why
Luke: The new member comes online and gets the $25 free
gratje11@hotmail.com: correction
gratje11@hotmail.com: 25 bonus
gratje11@hotmail.com: not $
Luke: Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: $ is real the bonus is not
Luke: Sad
Luke: This is the currency for both bonus and cash
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
Luke: So I was saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: because the bonus itself isnt a currency
Luke: MAy I
gratje11@hotmail.com: sorry i did not want you to lepa ahead based ona false assumption
gratje11@hotmail.com: leap*
Luke: I'm afraid this is not the real issue now,
Luke: Thank you
Luke: Now the new player gets the bonus
Luke: He or she has limited playtime depending on the luck
Luke: Again
Luke: Indeed the balance gained with the bonus cannot be cashed out as per the terms and conditions prior to the first deposit.
Luke: After the first deposit the bonus whatever it may be has a wagering attached to it
Luke: And the wins can be cashed out
gratje11@hotmail.com: may i?
Luke: One sec
Luke: My point was that this bonus has no apparent value prior to your first deposit only. But id does have a certain value, granted, it cannot be reflected into any bank account
Luke: But it does have a value
Luke: That is what I am trying to explain
gratje11@hotmail.com: i have to disagree
gratje11@hotmail.com: as you stated qoute : Indeed the balance gained with the bonus cannot be cashed out as per the terms and conditions prior to the first deposit.
gratje11@hotmail.com: your comparing the singup bonus with a deposit bonus wich both have different structures and values
gratje11@hotmail.com: as the dpeosit bonus has value and the singup does not as stated in your terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: deposit*
gratje11@hotmail.com: so what your saying is proven 100% false by the terms
Luke: Beg your pardon.
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofcourse you are correct consering the deposit bonus be we are talking about the sign up bonus
gratje11@hotmail.com: your saying
Luke: I just explained what kind of value the sign up bonus has
gratje11@hotmail.com: no you tried
gratje11@hotmail.com: but it wasn't true
gratje11@hotmail.com: as stated here
gratje11@hotmail.com: 8.4.8 Once the Player makes the first deposit, previous winnings made from Sign-Up Bonuses will be voided, as they are considered free and have no actual value.
gratje11@hotmail.com: and have no actual value.
gratje11@hotmail.com: its in the terms thats why its 100% false
Luke: No value to be reflected in a green small pieces of paper. True
gratje11@hotmail.com: no value in form of real money thus its fake money
Luke: Ok
Luke: I will not do this again
gratje11@hotmail.com: so being it fake money
gratje11@hotmail.com: people losing to me or anyone
gratje11@hotmail.com: using real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: will lose real value
Luke: Let's talk about terms and conditions then
Luke: What did I say about the players that put in real money?
gratje11@hotmail.com: that they are aware of it
gratje11@hotmail.com: so am i
Luke: great
gratje11@hotmail.com: not meaning its correct
Luke: Now
Luke: Regarding the terms and conditions, as you see they are out there for everyone to see and like or dislike
gratje11@hotmail.com: hypotheticly because people were awere what hitler was doing did not make it correct
Luke: You said it's not correct
Luke: To me it is
gratje11@hotmail.com: so what hitler did was correct?
Luke: Does that make me a natzi?
Luke: No
Luke: It makes me one of the 2 faces of a coin
gratje11@hotmail.com: exactly
gratje11@hotmail.com: the bad one
Luke: Might be
gratje11@hotmail.com: no for sure
gratje11@hotmail.com: as your terms state it as true
Luke: But since what we have been discussing here for the past hour is relativism how does it matter?
gratje11@hotmail.com: it matters because if i deposit and play against people who also got this (free) money as it is promoted
gratje11@hotmail.com: i will get screwed
Luke: The things are simple
gratje11@hotmail.com: because the one taking all money isnt the oppenent but the site wich already holds in rake every game
Luke: So I was saying
Luke: Things are very simple.
Luke: The bonus has a certain value. It might not be the value certain customers desire but it does no matter what anyone says
Luke: You get to play and enjoy the games for free
gratje11@hotmail.com: your lying to me
gratje11@hotmail.com: again
gratje11@hotmail.com: the terms state it has having no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: its not about desire but facts
Luke: I'm not going back into explaining what value means
gratje11@hotmail.com: the bonus has no value hence its still treated as such
gratje11@hotmail.com: you don't have to
gratje11@hotmail.com: cause the terms state it as valueless
gratje11@hotmail.com: no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: it doesn't have a value
gratje11@hotmail.com: the terms state it so
gratje11@hotmail.com: hence its still treated as such
Luke: Ok so what we are doing now is merely debating sense or meaning.
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
Luke: Let me agree with you
gratje11@hotmail.com: what im asking
gratje11@hotmail.com: wich i didn'tget an awnser to
Luke: Values = cash
Luke: And nothing moe
Luke: more
gratje11@hotmail.com: indeed
gratje11@hotmail.com: but
Luke: Ok
gratje11@hotmail.com: its the other way around
gratje11@hotmail.com: cash = is value
gratje11@hotmail.com: every cow has a tail not everything with a tail is a cow
Luke: Smile))
gratje11@hotmail.com: you understand?
Luke: I was referring to what value means in our conversation
gratje11@hotmail.com: as the bonus is in fact not cash $ euro pennies pounds etc etc it has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: no its the meaning of the word in general again the bonus itself has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: real money does
gratje11@hotmail.com: so is it FAIR to let people with FAKE money play against people with REAL money?
Luke: Again, it's not fake and having established that, yes since the players with real money played in their turn with bonus and some still do
Luke: Difference is
gratje11@hotmail.com: my point here is...
gratje11@hotmail.com: wait
Luke: That now they have deposited
gratje11@hotmail.com: your saying the bonus has value
Luke: And ca cash out
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
Luke: No
Luke: Merely that it is not fake
Luke: But please
Luke: Let's not debate that again
gratje11@hotmail.com: but
gratje11@hotmail.com: if it has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: its not real
gratje11@hotmail.com: money
gratje11@hotmail.com: and if it is not real money
Luke: That does not make it fake
gratje11@hotmail.com: it is fake
Luke: Please say yes and go on this line with me
gratje11@hotmail.com: how do you call something that is not real?
Luke: We will not reach any conclusion otherwise
Luke: Fun
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes we will please awnser my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: how do you call something that is not real?
Luke: I told you
Luke: Fun
gratje11@hotmail.com: so
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i sell you not a real tv
gratje11@hotmail.com: you would cal it a fun tv?
Luke: I'm afraid we cannot compare the two situations
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes we can
Luke: Ok
Luke: Call it a toy tv then
gratje11@hotmail.com: ok
gratje11@hotmail.com: if you have a toy care it isn't a real cae
gratje11@hotmail.com: car
gratje11@hotmail.com: thus it is fake
Luke: Unlike the toy tv the fun money offer you a free gaming experience
gratje11@hotmail.com: correct?
Luke: No
gratje11@hotmail.com: the toy car gives you the enjoyment of the looks of the the car
Luke: In this particular case the opposite of real is not fake
Luke: But please
Luke: we are wasting time like this
gratje11@hotmail.com: ok were going your way
Luke: Let's not debate phraseology here
gratje11@hotmail.com: if 9 people put in 10$ and i put in 10 fun bonus is that fair?
Luke: And my answer was?
Luke: I've answered a couple time now
gratje11@hotmail.com: you say yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: based on
Luke: times
gratje11@hotmail.com: that it has value
gratje11@hotmail.com: but has not
Luke: And I will still state that it does
gratje11@hotmail.com: you just acknowladged that
Luke: And this is why we will never agree
gratje11@hotmail.com: you agree
gratje11@hotmail.com: with the terms right
gratje11@hotmail.com: i agree with the terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: wich says it has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: taking acount it has no value so not saying yes based upon tha it has value
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: and if yes why
Luke: Here is another try
gratje11@hotmail.com: please don't explain it has value as the terms state it doesn't else please continue
Luke: 10 people play hold'em. 9 of them buy chips 1 of them gets a few chips as a gift. The fortunate one gets a few wins. The big pot is still to be split between the remaining 9. Will they lynch the 1 for winning with a gift?
Luke: I say no
gratje11@hotmail.com: is the gift cashable yes
Luke: If you cannot agree with this I am afraid that there is nothing more to be said on my end
gratje11@hotmail.com: i agree
gratje11@hotmail.com: because the gift is cashable
gratje11@hotmail.com: as i stated before
Luke: The gift will return
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes he gets free chips
gratje11@hotmail.com: but the winnings are his
Luke: Eventually he will loose it all to the others
gratje11@hotmail.com: but if he doesn't it his
Luke: This is exactly our case
gratje11@hotmail.com: no because if he wins he gets the money
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats wher eit is fundamentally different
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i win with the sign up no one wins but the site if the poker guy keeps on winning he can cash out
Luke: Nope
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes he can
Luke: The rest of the players win it
Luke: And
gratje11@hotmail.com: in your sittuation
gratje11@hotmail.com: but it hasnt to be so
Luke: To me it seems unfair for the one to play with free money to have beers on his winnings
Luke: While I look at the pot
Luke: In his pockets
gratje11@hotmail.com: then dont give him real moeny this is why
Luke: I will want that pot to come back to me eventually
gratje11@hotmail.com: poker rooms have play chips to play in playchips rooms with other people who use play chips
gratje11@hotmail.com: where no one puts in real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes but even if you want that pot wont mean you get it the free chips guy could win 10$ and l8ter be a pro poker player
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats where the difference is
gratje11@hotmail.com: your saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: you wouldn't like the guy to have any beers of free winning of you but
gratje11@hotmail.com: its the same thing wheter the player or the site takes it the player still lost it if i play with my free deposit bonus and make more then say 300$
gratje11@hotmail.com: i decide to deposit all the 300$ are gone the one who gets it is the site
Luke: And here as where I come in
gratje11@hotmail.com: not me with 300$ nor the guys who lost to me only the site
Luke: Hold that previous thught
Luke: thought*]
Luke: You cannot cash it out. But we have developed a system to cover up for your loss and get you a higher bonus for your first deposit
Luke: So the $300 will be deducted
Luke: But you will get this much % more for your deposit
Luke: First deposit that is
gratje11@hotmail.com: hold that thought
gratje11@hotmail.com: its not about a bigger bonus its about the point were the people with real money lose real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: to fake money
Luke: And here we are again
Luke: I cannot do this again
Luke: Sorry
gratje11@hotmail.com: the bigger % of bonus has nothing to do with it
Luke: It has everything to do with itr
Luke: it
gratje11@hotmail.com: no it isnt about that i win and can't cash out
gratje11@hotmail.com: its when im playing for real and lose to people who can't cash out
Luke: With those wins you just got yourself a higher chance to get some real $ as you call them
gratje11@hotmail.com: again
gratje11@hotmail.com: it isnt about that i win and can't cash out gratje11@hotmail.com: its when im playing for real and lose to people who can't cash out
Luke: And the last thing I will say is
Luke: No
Luke: I really cannot do this anymore
gratje11@hotmail.com: your missing my point
Luke: It all comes down to agreeing or not with the terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: exactly
gratje11@hotmail.com: and you don't agree with the terms
Luke: If you do not nobody forces you to pay
Luke: I do
gratje11@hotmail.com: no you do not
gratje11@hotmail.com: you state the bonus has value lots of times
gratje11@hotmail.com: the terms state it does not
gratje11@hotmail.com: my point here still is
Luke: Because I see the entire picture whereas you trip on the meaning of a word
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i play for real money im against people
Luke: Thus
gratje11@hotmail.com: with (fun) money
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: you fail to understand my question for over 2 hours
Luke: I do understand it perfectly
gratje11@hotmail.com: your the getting paid for this not me i just want a correcdt awnser a swing around the corner
Luke: What I do not understand is why are we still debating
gratje11@hotmail.com: not a *
gratje11@hotmail.com: were not actually debating
gratje11@hotmail.com: it took me more then an hour to make you say that
gratje11@hotmail.com: the bonus has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: as it is stated in the terms
Luke: I have explained the website's point of view in 4 different ways
gratje11@hotmail.com: now you gave 4 different scernario's
gratje11@hotmail.com: with the same point of view
Luke: Understanding your concern of course
Luke: The only remaining question to me is
Luke: Will you or not agree with it
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i play with real money im up against people with fun/fake money
gratje11@hotmail.com: correct?
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
Luke: I will not get into this conversation again. Sorry if I did not prove myself the intellectual challenge you might have hoped for
gratje11@hotmail.com: im not here for an ego boost
Luke: You are more then welcomed to join us just as you are to follow your instinct
gratje11@hotmail.com: listen
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i play with real money im up against people with fun/fake money correct?
Luke: If you will not take my argument it means I failed in explaining and nothing more
gratje11@hotmail.com: no it doesn't
gratje11@hotmail.com: i understand
gratje11@hotmail.com: i don't agree
Luke: But I will not do it again with all dew respect and I hope that you will understand
gratje11@hotmail.com: as the terms give me right
Luke: Great
gratje11@hotmail.com: no i dont
gratje11@hotmail.com: if the terms were against me fine
gratje11@hotmail.com: but the terms state it aswell
gratje11@hotmail.com: so as the terms state
Luke: I can assure you that nothing will change in the terms in the near future
gratje11@hotmail.com: it has no value so according to you it still isn't fake but fun
gratje11@hotmail.com: so if i play for real
Luke: no no no
Luke: please
gratje11@hotmail.com: im up against fun money
Luke: You play on fun money
Luke: right now
Luke: do feel bad about it?
Luke: You should not
gratje11@hotmail.com: im not playing because i would be screwing people with real money
Luke: This being said I'm done
gratje11@hotmail.com: no
gratje11@hotmail.com: i should
gratje11@hotmail.com: again
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Sophie'.
You are not currently in a chat session.
Welcome to Live Support my name is Sophie how may I be of assistance?
gratje11@hotmail.com: hi sophie
Sophie: Hello my colleague got disconnected I am afraid.
gratje11@hotmail.com: are you the supervisor higher then luke?
Sophie: Is there anything else I could help you with at this moment?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes
Sophie: No, he is my boss Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: luke termintad the chat without awnsering my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: it did not ogt disconnected he disconnected it
gratje11@hotmail.com: as he state he did wanna do this
Sophie: No it is not true,, plus that his shift ended 40 minutes ago
Sophie: He stood overtime Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: please put me back with luke or a supervisor of him
Sophie: He is the supervisor and he left when the computer crashed.
gratje11@hotmail.com: i understand if he wouldve stated that
gratje11@hotmail.com: i wouldve let him redirect me
gratje11@hotmail.com: as of now who is the boss of luke is he there or who is the replacing supervisor?
Sophie: There is no supervisor on this shift Smile but you can send an email directly to the management to account-manager@bingohall.ag
gratje11@hotmail.com: no i mean
gratje11@hotmail.com: your working for liveperson right
gratje11@hotmail.com: and are
Sophie: No, we are working for Bingohall.
gratje11@hotmail.com: directed to help people from bingohall
gratje11@hotmail.com: oh yor just using live person software aha ok
gratje11@hotmail.com: so luke
gratje11@hotmail.com: just went home
gratje11@hotmail.com: and there is no supervisor or boss
gratje11@hotmail.com: >??
Sophie: Liveperson is a tool we use to help people who have problems with the games.
Sophie: Yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats kinda bad
gratje11@hotmail.com: anyway
gratje11@hotmail.com: as i asked luke
gratje11@hotmail.com: assuming you also have the chat transcription
Sophie: yes.
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair that i will be playing with real money against fun/fake money
Sophie: These are the site's rules, there is nothing we can do about this. Plus that Luke explained during the last two hours the idea behind this.
gratje11@hotmail.com: no he explained the reason behind it
gratje11@hotmail.com: not wheter its fair or not
gratje11@hotmail.com: plus the reason behind it does not make it right
Sophie: Even if it or it is not, there is nothing to do about it.
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes there is
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats exactly why im asking the question
gratje11@hotmail.com: i would like to hear if its fair or not
Sophie: Ok, then send an email to account-manager@bingohall.ag with your suggetsions.
gratje11@hotmail.com: luke
gratje11@hotmail.com: sad yes because it has value
gratje11@hotmail.com: no i would like a direct awnser
gratje11@hotmail.com: so anyway
gratje11@hotmail.com: he sad yes because he sad it has value
gratje11@hotmail.com: now were 2 hours further and he agress it has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: then i reasked my question
gratje11@hotmail.com: this time with the knowledge
gratje11@hotmail.com: that is has no value
gratje11@hotmail.com: as stated by the terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i play with real money against fun/fake money is that fair?
Sophie: Why not ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: because the site takes the money is the fun player wins and no one but the site will make any money
gratje11@hotmail.com: assuming you ask why not
gratje11@hotmail.com: i would like to ask why is this fair assuming ur saying its fair by asking why not
Sophie: Sir
Sophie: It does not matter what I think.
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes it does
Sophie: These are the rules, this is how the game is played
gratje11@hotmail.com: cause you awnser accordingly to the terms
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc thats logical but not the point
gratje11@hotmail.com: the point is is it fair
Sophie: You have a suggestion, please send it by email to account-manager@bingohall.ag
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: its really simple yes or no
Sophie: Not ym place to say.
Sophie: my*
gratje11@hotmail.com: why not
gratje11@hotmail.com: do you not support people with question about the terms game and fairness of it all
gratje11@hotmail.com: >?
Sophie: Let me get you the supervisor, he just came in
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'John'.
You are not currently in a chat session.
Welcome to Live Support my name is John how may I be of assistance?
gratje11@hotmail.com: well
gratje11@hotmail.com: your the forth person
John: Hey there my friend
gratje11@hotmail.com: fourth8
gratje11@hotmail.com: *
gratje11@hotmail.com: so please
John: ok before we start the conversation
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair?
John: please fill your profile infrormation
John: cause i don't know who i'm speaking with
gratje11@hotmail.com: gerard v/d coevering
gratje11@hotmail.com: now you know
gratje11@hotmail.com: netherlands orthensewge 78 5212XC
gratje11@hotmail.com: can we continue now i do not know if i want this site to have my personal details registerd as i doubt the fairness of the game
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats the point i contacted support
John: Sure Gerard and what might be the issue ?
John: Did a game not pay ?
John: Or do you have any issues with the games?
gratje11@hotmail.com: well you are well aware cause u have the transcript
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i play with real money against fun/fake money is that fair?
John: If you're playing on fun money
John: You cannot convert the winnigs in real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: i know
John: It's only for test purposes
gratje11@hotmail.com: thats is why
gratje11@hotmail.com: i ask
John: Great
gratje11@hotmail.com: if a play
gratje11@hotmail.com: with real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: against someone
gratje11@hotmail.com: with fun/fake money
gratje11@hotmail.com: is that fair?
John: Fair to who Gerard ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: to the one with the real money
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc
John: Why wouldn't it be fair ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: hes not playing a person but the site
John: Fun money player have $10 to play with
John: You have a way higher balance
gratje11@hotmail.com: i got 25
John: Ok perfect
John: For a $25 deposit
John: you will receive a 500% bonus
John: so that will get you $150 to play with
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes but that bonus wil have a impossible wgaer so its basicly useless plus thats not the point
John: Our wagers are the lowest ever my friend
John: If you play Bingo
gratje11@hotmail.com: even if its 3x its still
John: You only have to wager the deposit 3 times
John: that's it
gratje11@hotmail.com: 450
gratje11@hotmail.com: before its real
John: No no
John: it's just the deposit
gratje11@hotmail.com: the whole point is
John: not the bonus too
John: So it's just 25X3
John: = $75
John: and you're starting with $150
gratje11@hotmail.com: so youre saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i deposit
gratje11@hotmail.com: 25$
John: Yep
gratje11@hotmail.com: i get 150$
John: Total balance to play with yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: immediatly or later releaseD?
John: $25 real money , $125 bonus money
John: The moment you deposit
John: the bonus kicks in
gratje11@hotmail.com: but if the real money is lost
gratje11@hotmail.com: will the bonus
gratje11@hotmail.com: still continue to cont down the wager
gratje11@hotmail.com: say i wgaer 25$
gratje11@hotmail.com: lost all
gratje11@hotmail.com: now only have the 125$ bonus
gratje11@hotmail.com: will those plays still coun't towards wager?
John: Yes it doesn't matter where you play it from ... if you wager the deposit 3 times
John: you will make the wager
gratje11@hotmail.com: so youre saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: if i dpeosit 25$ i get 150$
John: You get $125
gratje11@hotmail.com: play 75$ and if not won anything
John: that's 500%
gratje11@hotmail.com: i still can cash out 75$?
John: You need to have Real Cash to cashout
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: ah so you see
John: But the bonus money can go to real cash when yuo win
gratje11@hotmail.com: exactly my point
gratje11@hotmail.com: so way back to the subject
gratje11@hotmail.com: that bonus money can be turned into something real
gratje11@hotmail.com: the sign up cant never ever
John: That is true
gratje11@hotmail.com: so is it fair to let people play them agaisnt real money
John: We're talking here about a $20-$25 sign-up bonus
John: against your $150 balance
gratje11@hotmail.com: even so
John: Your chances are way higher
gratje11@hotmail.com: even its a 2,50$
John: Yes i understand what you're saying
gratje11@hotmail.com: bonus
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it fair??
John: That's just how the software is developed
John: We have lots of winners every time
gratje11@hotmail.com: but is it fair?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes or no
John: Sorry?
gratje11@hotmail.com: is that fiar
gratje11@hotmail.com: fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: to let people with real cash
gratje11@hotmail.com: play against ones with fake/fun
John: I understand what you are saying
John: unfortunately i cannot help you in this matter
John: If you want to make a deposit
gratje11@hotmail.com: please
John: i can help you with that
John: If you don't i underrstand
gratje11@hotmail.com: awnser yes or no its all i want
John: No one is forcing you
John: I will not answer to that my friend
John: It's how the software is developed
gratje11@hotmail.com: i understand but please a yes or no is it fair>?
John: And i will stand by it
John: As long as i'm here i see it as fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: so you won't awnser it because
John: In the same time
John: I will answer
gratje11@hotmail.com: so thats a yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: ?
John: From my point of view is fair from your point of view it's not
gratje11@hotmail.com: ok finally a straight up awnser
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes
gratje11@hotmail.com: you think its fair
gratje11@hotmail.com: but
John: I do think it's fair and i will stand by everything we advertise
gratje11@hotmail.com: is it really ? the site takes rake plus when new people sign up and take a few wins and then deposit the site takes it again
gratje11@hotmail.com: its more like a money grabber then a bingo site that way
gratje11@hotmail.com: but as you just stated you consider it fair
John: I do
gratje11@hotmail.com: ty for that
John: My pleasure
gratje11@hotmail.com: now i have a solid awnser
gratje11@hotmail.com: it only took me 3 hours to get it
gratje11@hotmail.com: Big Smile
John: Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: so thank you john oh en let Luke
gratje11@hotmail.com: know
John: Will do , by the way that's a no on the deposit ?
John: I will be frank with you
gratje11@hotmail.com: im sorry for the long haul bit is it that hard to awnser a question straight?
John: Is that ok ?
John: You're looking for a place to play bingo right ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes its a no because i totally disagree with the fairness is wanted to make sure the site thinks its 100% correct
John: Ok my friend, i totally understand what you're saying i listened to you
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes i do furtunatly there are other sites i thought if the site agreed it was in error i wouldve considerd it
John: so please listen to what i have to say too
gratje11@hotmail.com: so i ty
gratje11@hotmail.com: sure
John: Ok well i know what the others offer
John: i've been working here for a long time
John: and nowhere you will find anything close to what we are offering
John: We offer great bonuses and tournaments
John: and i know it sounds like a script
John: but we actually do
John: And we pay players ... we have LOTS of payouts daily
John: Oh and one more thing
John: We do have rooms
John: visible only to depositing VIP players
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc
John: which you can be if you're willing to play
gratje11@hotmail.com: but the bonus is and will be a fake
John: and be a regular on our site
gratje11@hotmail.com: example
gratje11@hotmail.com: www.bingocams.nl
gratje11@hotmail.com: its a site wich gives you 5 euro free
gratje11@hotmail.com: but its cashable
John: Ok i'll give you that
gratje11@hotmail.com: it occaisanly gives people 2$ free but again cashable
John: they give you
John: $5 Cash
John: no problem
John: but look pass that
John: You will see hidden rules
John: and stuff they won't tell you
gratje11@hotmail.com: nope
John: like a maximum cashout
gratje11@hotmail.com: very clear
John: oh trust me
gratje11@hotmail.com: 5 dollar free 12x
John: Ok
John: the $5
John: but after that
gratje11@hotmail.com: minimum cahs out 25$
John: Leave the $5 aside
gratje11@hotmail.com: ofc
John: Are you aware 100% of what they are offering , how much you can cashout, how much the wager is, will you get paid, will you get paid on time
John: I can guarantee you all of that
John: You will get paid when you win, on time, every time
gratje11@hotmail.com: yes all of it
gratje11@hotmail.com: easy
John: We're here for the long run
gratje11@hotmail.com: ive cashed out over 500 euro there
John: Ok then that's a great offer
John: which i cannot match
gratje11@hotmail.com: played there a long time
John: Ok sir
gratje11@hotmail.com: its just an example
John: no problem
gratje11@hotmail.com: to prove your theory wrong
John: Ok
gratje11@hotmail.com: anyway im not here to advertise some random site
John: Correct Smile
John: So
John: Is there anything else
John: i might help you with ?
gratje11@hotmail.com: i wish you the best of luck but this site smells unfair and u stand by its fairness
gratje11@hotmail.com: so i wish you a goodnight Big Smile
John: Let's agree to disagree Smile
John: Goodnight my friend
gratje11@hotmail.com: not exactly
gratje11@hotmail.com: let's agree you refuse to agree cause you aren't allowed to agree Big Smile
gratje11@hotmail.com: good night Blink
John: Night my friend
Your chat transcript will be sent to gratje11@hotmail.com at the end of your chat.

     
  27-Aug-13, 05:05   #2
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uno1Bomber 

Joined: May '13
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 541
One question.You was drunk? Smile
Off course b i n g o sites is a scam.
Anyway, nice story Thumbs Up Big Smile

Edited by uno1Bomber (Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 05:24 GMT)


     
  27-Aug-13, 06:34   #3
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (F)
Posts: 2195
My my my, you were a bit of an arse, now, weren't you Tongue

I think you weren't really interested in fairness to others, you just had the hump you couldn't abuse a bonus.

To answer your question:
Yes it is fair to the other players because when they win your 'monopoly' money it becomes real for them.
At bingo, there is a fixed percentage to win, as long as the other players win within the range of that percentage, it doesn't matter if you play with real or fake.

You seem to have missed something that interests me and that is the sign up bonus.

Let me get this right. You deposit $25 and get $125 bonus = $150. You wager $75 then can withdraw $75 straight away?
Surely that's a no loss bonus? Or did I miss something?

     
  27-Aug-13, 11:26   #4
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daninleeds 
Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 66
was just about to say the same, the fake money becomes real when won by real money account holding player, even though real money becomes fake, when its eventually lost it then becomes real again...... top ranting though arrow-knee haha

     
  27-Aug-13, 11:40   #5
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nipitiri3 
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Posts: 614
geezus ...

     
  27-Aug-13, 12:22   #6
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AlexandrosLM 
Joined: Aug '12
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Posts: 269
gerard v/d coevering
now you know
netherlands orthensewge 78 5212XC

I'm coming to you gerard Smile))) with capital G

     
  27-Aug-13, 12:59   #7
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mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
Location: Poland
Age: 76 (M)
Posts: 530
There is one thing, which I can be sure after reading this conversation: smoking weed can damage your sense of humor.
You just discovered a wheel from the very beginning. Worship Worship Worship

     
  27-Aug-13, 14:20   #8
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
I have played bingo a few times with no deposit bonuses.
And its exactly like that.
You cant cash out. In other words its a waste of time.
And when you deposit its a waste of money lol.

     
  27-Aug-13, 14:42   #9
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mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
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It's not a waste of time if you have a bit of luck.
Ones PartyBingo gave me 10 $ free play, I won like 2 x bingo during 10 min. , it was around 35 $ , than I transfer it to Party Poker and played for another 2 weeks, won something and could withdraw 85 $.

     
  27-Aug-13, 14:47   #10
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
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It seems you have played with the normal no deposit rules then.
The couple of times i have taken a no deposit bonus it was a similar case like the OP's.
Just for evaluation and having fun.
No matter what you couldnt cash out.

I believe they should have a different term for that kind of bonus, rather a no deposit one.

     
  27-Aug-13, 15:03   #11
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arrow-knee- 

Joined: Jul '12
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 560
Posted by IceQueenAce:
My my my, you were a bit of an arse, now, weren't you Tongue

I think you weren't really interested in fairness to others, you just had the hump you couldn't abuse a bonus.

To answer your question:
Yes it is fair to the other players because when they win your 'monopoly' money it becomes real for them.
At bingo, there is a fixed percentage to win, as long as the other players win within the range of that percentage, it doesn't matter if you play with real or fake.

You seem to have missed something that interests me and that is the sign up bonus.

Let me get this right. You deposit $25 and get $125 bonus = $150. You wager $75 then can withdraw $75 straight away?
Surely that's a no loss bonus? Or did I miss something?

no thats not right actually its that u have 25$ plus 125$ bonus
hence if you lose the 25$ ur left with the bonus yes the wager will continue but the bonus is not cashable only the real money so if you lose 50$ win 15$ lose 25$ again then win lets say 10$u have 10$cash and 90$ bonus hence not cashable nly the cash amount even after the wager the bonus doesn't become real stays bonus your just allowed to cash out the real money and when yu do that you lose the bonus plus i wasn't being an ass its for me about the fairness of playing with real money cause i dont really care for the signup yes its nice to get a free try but wager ones are mostly impossible this was the second time i encounterd a bingo site like this it do not feel its fair to play with real money against fake money that can never be real
so my point is if you deposit your playing more against the bingo site then against players every win is for the bingo site lets say 50% loses there free in some time then the rake would stll take most and it almost doesn't cost them anything plus the other 50% that has some winnings before they deposit all goes to the bingo site in my opinion not fair should be logical its not that i was just annoying them i like bingo and actually have winnings on bingo Big Smile but this smells more croocked then al capone Big Smile Big Smile

Edited by arrow-knee- (Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 15:07 GMT)


     
  27-Aug-13, 15:07   #12
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IceQueenAce 
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well that's the thing

OP was describing a useless ndb

the last customer service guy talked about what looked like a great deposit bonus

     
  27-Aug-13, 15:10   #13
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arrow-knee- 

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Posts: 560
i just explained why it isn't xD did you not understand im sorry i have crappy english but should i explain better?

     
  27-Aug-13, 16:56   #14
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (F)
Posts: 2195
no, we replied at the same time, so I didn't see your post whilst I was writing mine.

all is clear

     
  27-Aug-13, 18:41   #15
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 3170
jeez !!! i can't believe i just read all that Smile
anyways congrats on your perseverence there Arrow-knee Thumbs Up
i would have gave up after about 5 or 6 questions and not getting a proper reply. Aww crap!

     
  27-Aug-13, 18:53   #16
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5680
What a GIANT waste of your time dude.... I got only a part way through all that and saw where THAT was all going... All those sites are,...are wallet sucking crap....! Thumbs Down

At least if you get a nice deposit or no-deposit deal from a reputable site like Full Tilt or PokerStars,...you know there's no shennannigans...

HITLER...??? How does HE always seem to find his way into things...... Big Smile<lol....

     
  27-Aug-13, 19:22   #17
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
There is no way i would read that looong story mate, you should have made it short for us to understand!

As a general rule if someone is willing to chat with you for sooo long something is not right. Period!

     
  27-Aug-13, 20:32   #18
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arrow-knee- 

Joined: Jul '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 560
xD i understand basicly the sites a total scam xD

     
  27-Aug-13, 21:09   #19
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3361
Damn that's a lot of reading, but I'd just like to know! Did you deposit $25 and receive the $125 bonus all at once? Maybe I missed reading something towards the end so this may have an answer up in the book somewhere!

     
  27-Aug-13, 22:10   #20
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arrow-knee- 

Joined: Jul '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 560
no he offerd after a few quesitons i already saw it was bs Big Smile

     
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