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I got raped on the tables today, so it's rigged I's tells ya! Just kidding, tomorrow's another day and hopefully I'll find a bit of an upswing to soothe my soul. Rigtards find me on the table tomorrow please I'll reinforce your beliefs
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I've been away for a few months but the same old question arise everytime =)
The only rigged thing about poker is the fact that the house always wins the rake.. but that's no secret conspiracy.
Go rail some winning players and you will see them getting badbeated all day like you do.. they just keep on working their game and keep on trying. If it's an hard and sometimes unfair game? Yes, like all luck involved games. If i've seen grown man literally crying because of it? Yes, i've seen it happen.
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Posted by zeroster:
Posted by Phisix: Its so constant that I know its rigged or something else.
Then, respectfully, why do you play? I just can't get my head round why anyone who thinks a site is rigged would play there.
Because I love and enjoy the game, which is why most people play. What I said above just covers super micro stakes as non of that crap happens as much at higher micro stakes. Also, if you read my post above I said rigged in favour of rake and not rigged in favour of a person whether he wins or loses.
Posted by Phisix: Because I love and enjoy the game, which is why most people play.
Why not just play freerolls then? Personally I enjoy them just as much, en it's always +EV.
As to the question of it being rigged, I have no reason to believe it is, other than the rake.
I do find rake a bit dishonest though. It's all clearly stated how it's calculated etc... But, it plays a clever psychological trick on you, since it's only taken when you win a large pot. This makes that you don't really notice it that much.
If however you calculate how much you are spending on rake for the privilege of playing with the site in question, it's absurd. Anyone would think twice before playing, if you'd have to pay a monthly fee for that amount, and there would be no rake... But you are paying for it nonetheless in the form of rake, without you even noticing it all that much...
I imaging that online poker is the most expensive online computer game you can play (I'm not a gamer, so I'm not sure).
If you are losing, most likely you'll blame bad beats, lucky fish, Russians, rigged sites etc... while in fact you are losing to rake...
Why are there no homegame cash tables for playmoney, with the actual cash settled between the players? That way you could play without paying rake, and everyone's win rate would improve significantly...
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Posted by lukasb: Oh man what did you do? You should know already that anyone that thinks poker is totally rigged and still comes to a poker site to talk about it ( over and over and over again) doesn't think he/she plays bad so telling them to improve their game is just throwing more wood to the fire .
As a personal opinion i don't think it's rigged but at the same time i'm not a winning player... more or less break even coz of my cash game results ( in tournaments my stats suck big time atm).
That being said, the main problem while playing online is your opponents, not the software. I was taken to conclude that the majority of player just plays for fun and not for profit. In low and micro stakes there's no real logic behind their play. Whenever playing with friends i see that happening all the time. no one respects my raises,lots of bluffing all the time, card chasing, bad bets u name it and why? coz they just don't care... losing or winning ( specially if u just see it as a card game using a free bankroll from somewhere) doesn't mean a thing. People go after the rush of playing cards and pure luck.
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Just as an added note, if you seat in a table with loose players like so sit out and find another table without them... u'll see the "riggedness" of poker lowering instantaneously i assure you.
I must agree with the statement that it's not the software thats causes the problem of being rigged but the players. Fishy players or drunken players like to play all sort of hands and sometimes they are very lucky and hit there hand at the river allthough they did not had the pot odds to call a big raise or an all in. You just have to live with it. But in the long run you will win a lot of money if you play against those kind of players.
So conclusion : I don't think that pokersites are rigged, but it's always possible
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Freerolls are good indeed but very hard to win money because of the donks, fish and pee takers. I know what you mean though but I just prefer playing cash tables than MTTs and freerolls due to what I said above.
Posted by Phisix: Freerolls are good indeed but very hard to win money because of the donks, fish and pee takers. I know what you mean though but I just prefer playing cash tables than MTTs and freerolls due to what I said above.
I understand that, I play cash as well, but only at the lowest level, since in order to beat the rake, you have to be a lot better than your opponents (that is fewer leaks). Although I'm winning a bit at cash (about 9BB/100), I can't say it earns me more, or that I enjoy it more than freerolls, (if you don't take the first hour of a freeroll all that seriously, that is...)
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Is there any proof that it is rigged or proof that it is not? Until we know its always going to be up for debate. Then again you play far more hands online than you do live so maybe its just seeing more beats than you normally would and of course you associate it being rigged.
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Posted by Phisix: Is there any proof that it is rigged or proof that it is not? Until we know its always going to be up for debate. Then again you play far more hands online than you do live so maybe its just seeing more beats than you normally would and of course you associate it being rigged.
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Posted by Phisix: Is there any proof that it is rigged or proof that it is not? Until we know its always going to be up for debate. Then again you play far more hands online than you do live so maybe its just seeing more beats than you normally would and of course you associate it being rigged.
It's impossible to prove that poker is not rigged. The best that can be done is to show that it is increasingly unlikely.
This is why the burden of proof in this, and all things, lies with the person making the claim.
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I would really like to know imagining that someone could prove it was rigged, beyond any doubt, would anyone here stop playing? Lets see the 2 possible riggs:
Rigged to favor a certain player - well, easy enough, whenever seeing that player or players, wud just get out of the table. problem solved!
Rigged to favor the house (rake) - action flops and magic rivers proved to be a rigg, well, would you stop to play because of this? seeing that no player is favored would mean that its still a "random" act the one that would take the pot. The easy solution would be to play PL or FL. Solved!
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G’day Mate Personally I do not in general believe that the larger online poker sites are rigged. Yes I know in the past a very small minority of a holes have been caught cheating. The main sites however like PStars I simple chose to trust are not rigged. Unless I am losing then it must be rigged Best of luck to you all amigos. Be cool Ronin
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Posted by occultum: I've been away for a few months but the same old question arise everytime =)
The only rigged thing about poker is the fact that the house always wins the rake.. but that's no secret conspiracy.
Go rail some winning players and you will see them getting badbeated all day like you do.. they just keep on working their game and keep on trying. If it's an hard and sometimes unfair game? Yes, like all luck involved games. If i've seen grown man literally crying because of it? Yes, i've seen it happen.
Can't handle it? Don't play!
Who have you seen cry? Sometimes I wish I could enjoy the tears on the other end of some of my hands, well rage is more entertaining to watch, and more profitable, love tilt.
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g'day mate
Well you are an interesting and mean person. I like it I too wish I could see the look of shock on another's face when I stack them for all their cash. Especially if I have totally trapped and outplayed them. be cool best of luck
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In a case that illustrates the perils of online betting, a leading Internet poker site said Friday that a hacker exploited a security flaw to gain an insurmountable edge in high-stakes, no-limit Texas holdem tournaments — the ability to see his opponents’ hole cards.
The cheater, whose illegitimate winnings were estimated at between $400,000 and $700,000 by one victim, was an employee of AbsolutePoker.com who hacked the system to show that it could be done, said a spokesman for the company, who spoke with msnbc.com on condition of anonymity.
“This is literally a geek trying to prove to senior management that they were wrong and he took it too far,” he said.
The Costa Rica-based company, which is controlled by a parent company owned by members of the Kahnawake Mohawk tribe in Canada, issued a statement later in the day acknowledging the breach and promising to refund all money, including interest, to players who were victims of the scheme. It also promised a "comprehensive statement ... providing more details of the findings" would be issued soon.
The spokesman said the employee did not withdraw any of the money from the accounts that were used in the scheme.
“We acknowledge a significant internal security breach whereby a resource who was infinitely knowledgeable about the system was able to get into the accounts in question. He played on those accounts and he saw hole cards,” the spokesman said.
“We have closed that security breach and we have identified a very serious issue internally as far as communications flow and we’re resolving that, ” he said.
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G'day mate
Well you really had to dig back through the archives to dig up that old nugget. You are not telling us anything new. That story is years old and people still hate several of the players who were a knowing part of the scam. They got caught because they was stupid about what they was doing. Give me that same edge on any decent poker site with volume and I will make millions and never get caught. be cool and best of luck on the tables.
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The only way I would believe poker software at a specific site is 100% legit, is if the software itself was regulated and enforced by a trustworthy government entity (ie: all poker sites were forced to use the same code for dealing cards which was inaccessible to them and only the interface and types of games could be programmed to fit a site's desired player experience (or something to that effect)).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming any site is in fact rigged, but there is no way to know for sure that there isn't something fishy going on deep within their code. People shouldn't claim that online poker is for sure rigged or not-rigged because the simple fact is, there is no way to be completely sure. It's freaking programmed unregulated software for crying out loud! You either choose to play and employ blind faith that everything's legit, or don't play...it's pretty simple.
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