I was just playing this hand, against someone with an aggression factor of 7 and a c-bet percentage of 75%. VP$IP/PFR were 21/17 (based on just 30 hands):
PokerStars Hand #104101644203: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2013/09/14 10:08:48 CET [2013/09/14 4:08:48 ET] Table 'Wurm IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 2: huJux ($3.25 in chips) Seat 3: Legostarchel ($5.08 in chips) Seat 4: m@rqis ($2.98 in chips) Seat 5: Dimas169 ($2 in chips) Seat 6: Ludomaniac80 ($2.44 in chips) Dimas169: posts small blind $0.01 Ludomaniac80: posts big blind $0.02 DIMON 1514: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to m@rqis [9d 8d] huJux: raises $0.04 to $0.06 Legostarchel: calls $0.06 m@rqis: calls $0.06 Dimas169: folds Ludomaniac80: folds *** FLOP *** [8c Tc 4s] huJux: bets $0.10 Legostarchel: folds m@rqis: calls $0.10 *** TURN *** [8c Tc 4s] huJux: bets $0.26 m@rqis: calls $0.26 *** RIVER *** [8c Tc 4s Jd] huJux: bets $0.44 m@rqis: raises $2.12 to $2.56 and is all-in huJux: folds Uncalled bet ($2.12) returned to m@rqis m@rqis collected $1.75 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1.81 | Rake $0.06 Board [8c Tc 4s Jd Qc] Seat 2: huJux folded on the River Seat 3: Legostarchel folded on the Flop Seat 4: m@rqis (button) collected ($1.75) Seat 5: Dimas169 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: Ludomaniac80 (big blind) folded before Flop
Pre-flop I liked the hand because of the limper, and my position.
On the flop I thought I was probably behind, but with the limper gone, and the good pot odds, it was worth a call (especially since his c-bet percentage, made his raise sort of meaningless, I think).
The turn gave me and OESD, but his $0.26 bet into a $0.41 pot did not give me the proper odds to call. I called anyway, based on his aggression. Although I'm most likely behind, I didn't think he could beat a rivered straight or flush, so I could probably bluff the river, if a scare card came.
His river bet of $0.44 into a $0.93 pot, with possible flush and straights, and no paired board, and me having a straight, made this a snap-shove for me. He took a very long time to fold...
The way I played this hand was out of the ordinary for me, and I'm not sure if my decisions were correct, but it worked out.
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I wouldn't shove the river, you're rarely getting called by better, you effectively turned your straight into a bluff IMHO.
Like you said, he bet a small amount into a large pot, so either he was having a stab at stealing it, or otherwise he was baiting you with a big hand.. You have HEAPS of equity to call with your lower-straight, but shoving is kind of weird - since you're basically folding out the part of his range that you beat.. Ask yourself:
If you just CALL, what % of the time do you have best-hand at show-down? If you SHOVE and he calls you, what % of the time now do you have best hand at show down?
Posted by jessthehuman: I wouldn't shove the river, you're rarely getting called by better, you effectively turned your straight into a bluff IMHO.
Like you said, he bet a small amount into a large pot, so either he was having a stab at stealing it, or otherwise he was baiting you with a big hand.. You have HEAPS of equity to call with your lower-straight, but shoving is kind of weird - since you're basically folding out the part of his range that you beat.. Ask yourself:
If you just CALL, what % of the time do you have best-hand at show-down? If you SHOVE and he calls you, what % of the time now do you have best hand at show down?
My guess is you're losing money by shoving here.
I'm guessing you are right about that.
The only hand I actually thought was in his range, that beats me was AK. Maybe my shove would have made him fold that or a low flush, since my line looked very much like I was drawing for the nut flush, but the price I'd pay if he called with a hand that beats me, is too high, for that to pay off long term.
I remember thinking, that I should not value bet, because a shove from him, would make for a difficult decision (although I probably would be pot committed at that time). For that reason, the choice was between calling and shoving.
I wonder why he paused for such a long time before folding though... That should have been easy with anything less than a straight...
So a call might have been the best play here...
Would anyone argue that a small bet would have been better, say $1? I.e. something he could call?
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I would've clicked back the river .. I think worse hands call it often enough .. he has been betting 3 streets so I think it's hard for him to fold to a miniraise ..not sure though .. I think calling is fine aswell...
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in a 1c 2c game i think raising river is fine, maybe even raise turn to build a pot to get the money in on river. shoving looks a little too big imo. make it 1.10 never fold tho imo. according to stakes obv. in a 1/2$ i prolly just flat the river
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Good play, maybe river could be smaller, so as to induce his calls allowing him to play all his busted draws etc.. too big give them incentive not to bluff catch you, also if you raise all in only the best hand will call, that is AK for better straight.
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I don't think I would have played the hand any different than you did marqiss...
Once I saw that open ended straight draw on the turn,...and being heads up,... I certainly would continue on to the river regardless.... then at THAT point once the queen came down.....it's obvious...... I'd have shoved and take the chance!
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Played it fine except for the river bet. A value bet would have been much better, you might get called by worse hands. But by going AI the only hand willing to call is AK (unlikely here), or any hand with a 9, K9 etc so it's a chop an d nothing gained.
QJ or something similar might call a value bet, like re-raising him to 90c or something along those lines.
He river bets for value, maybe to see where he's at in the hand? He wouldn't bet so thin if he river'd even the second nut flush, would tend to expect a pot size + lead out...in this case could value reraise up to pot size ( if that bet is more than half my stack then just ship it), knowing there is a possibility he can call/shove here. Your reraise/shove is a show of strength and at the same time a steal attempt, he may have been trying to figure out which one, if he's holding TPTK or even a set...it's a tough call on that board.
Posted by SuperNoob: shove all day long. range merging, any1?
What is range merging?
Range merging is when you bet with a medium-strength hand on the river, where the board makes your opponent believe that you can only be betting with either the nuts or bluffing with nothing at all (most likely bluffing).
Did not know that term... But I suppose this is what that was...
B.t.w. my reason for a shove, rather than a raise, was that a pot sized bet would have been $1.37, while I only had $2.12 behind. When a shove and a pot size bet are so close, I tend to shove, since I'll have no option but to call for the rest if he ships it anyway.
If I was doing the betting myself, I would have sized my bets so as to leave about a pot sized bet at the river.
