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  15-Oct-13, 13:32   #1
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
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http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5375461_1...

     
  15-Oct-13, 14:25   #2
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
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Hard to say if you got played or not without seeing more of the guy's playing...

Hey dude,....I just realized something....

If you learned to play guitar,....you could form a Serbian knock off of a famous American rock band...

Bon Jovicakralj

Big Smile Thumbs Up

     
  15-Oct-13, 16:06   #3
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lukasb 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Croatia
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 1735
At the levels that you play should be easier to get a read from a player ( even thou there's a lot of donks there also i bet) and this had written "set" all over it. I'm still fighting the donk in me that forces me to shove anyway hoping for an ace at the turn/river lol. Anyway how did you do in the end?

     
  15-Oct-13, 18:55   #4
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HenryMinute 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 67 (M)
Posts: 207
Posted by demodawggy:
Hard to say if you got played or not without seeing more of the guy's playing...

Hey dude,....I just realized something....

If you learned to play guitar,....you could form a Serbian knock off of a famous American rock band...

Bon Jovicakralj

Big Smile Thumbs Up

Since the Serbian National Flower is the Plum, the band could be called Guns'n'Plums.

That's not a combination I'd like to meet in a dark alley at midnight.

     
  15-Oct-13, 19:18   #5
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631

I'm not sure I agree with the fold here; you're getting almost 10:1 odds to call the extra 100 chips.
Were you really that sure that were behind to a set, with only 2 outs?

Even then, you still have about 8% to find another ace. Of course you'd be facing an all in call on the turn, if an ace did not hit, reducing your odds, not being able to call the river.

I'm not sure, but I think I might have raised all-in, hoping for KK or QQ, A8 or even a complete bluff, but then again, I'm not even close to playing at these stakes...

     
  15-Oct-13, 19:50   #6
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Forcharity 

Joined: Oct '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 152
Not sure why you minreraise back? it's kinda weird and bad. That's why your not getting any info on his min4bet.

     
  15-Oct-13, 20:26   #7
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
With such a good starting hand i would personally made a bigger preflop raise, as you have seen you can always find people to call it.

After that on that flop i would have only called his reraise, i mean in the end you ended up spending more chips without seing another card.

     
  15-Oct-13, 22:54   #8
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
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Posted by marqis:

I'm not sure I agree with the fold here; you're getting almost 10:1 odds to call the extra 100 chips.
Were you really that sure that were behind to a set, with only 2 outs?

Even then, you still have about 8% to find another ace. Of course you'd be facing an all in call on the turn, if an ace did not hit, reducing your odds, not being able to call the river.

I'm not sure, but I think I might have raised all-in, hoping for KK or QQ, A8 or even a complete bluff, but then again, I'm not even close to playing at these stakes...

Only purpose for my 4bet is to get info about his hand. They do that with 8 sometimes so I need to see where Im standing at. If he just calls Im going with my hand, if he reraise (no matter how big reraise is) he have 7 and I can make easy fold there. His min 5bet is even more reviling his 7 there. He cant have KK or QQ since he would 3bet preflop. So, I invested 200 chips to get info that saved me 700 chips. And 700 chips is 35bb at this level. Not relevant but later I tripled up and managed to get in the money. I asked him a question: do you have 7? He answered: yes. Then I folded hand that have only 2 outs and saved 35bb.


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Posted by Forcharity:
Not sure why you minreraise back? it's kinda weird and bad. That's why your not getting any info on his min4bet.

Got all info I need.

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Posted by Macubaas:
With such a good starting hand i would personally made a bigger preflop raise, as you have seen you can always find people to call it.

After that on that flop i would have only called his reraise, i mean in the end you ended up spending more chips without seing another card.

You need to play your range same way, with same bet sizing. If you dont do that you will start wondering why they always fold when you have it and always call/raise when you dont. In MTTs you can raise bigger better holdings and get away with that since no one knows you. But in 6max sng 15$ I have almost always 3+ players that know me and I know them more or less. If I start 4-5xing QQ+ and minraising 89s I could also write in chat what hand I have every time.
Why would I want to see another card with my stack? I almost have no outs. Eather my hand is way ahead or way behind and my only goal is to know which of those two is in this case. No reason to want to see another card.

Edited by jovicakralj (Tuesday, October 15, 2013 @ 23:05 GMT)


     
  16-Oct-13, 17:51   #9
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10039
Maybe thats one of the things that jovica is in another level from me.
I would have gone all in preflop. Its too long now that no matter what the game is
when i get AA its an all in situation.

     
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