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  30-Oct-13, 16:09   #1
QUESTIONS FOR ERRU9107 ABOUT SWEDEN !!! 0 
Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
Hello erru9107,

I have some questions because you are Swedish. I need your advice. The other sweidish mobsters can give me an advice as well.

Sorry, I will not talk about poker at this thread!

I am a member of the EU official site (EURES) and yesterday I got an email from a Swedish Recruitment Agancy which is called Swede Recruit:

http://swederecruit.com/get-a-work/

They told me if I want to work in Sweden, they will find me a job, and apartment as well. They told me also that they found my CV very interesting and if I want to work in Sweden they will find me a job with a monthly salary at least EUR3000.

I don’t know how this Swedish agency decided to make me this offer, but I find it very interesting. They told me as well, I don’t need to speak Swedish, English is enough. Is that right? All the Swedish people speak English?

They work from 1998 and Swede Recruit said that they are one of the biggest recruitment agencies in Sweden.

Everything sounds really perfect. They will find me a job and a perfect apartment near to the job, BUT there is something else which I want to ask you erru9107!

Before sending my CV, they want me to pay a “small administrative fee” of EUR195 for the job and the apartment. What do you think about that erru9107? Can I trust Swede Recruit?

What is your advice? I can not make a research about this agency because I don’t speak Swedish. Is it normal, ordinary procedure in Sweden the recruitment agencies to take money from the employees? Because here in Bulgaria this is illegal. The recruitment agencies here take money only from the employers, the owners of the companies. They don’t take money from the workers for their services.

When you are looking for a job in Sweden through recruitment agency, did they charge you any money for their services?

These are my questions, erru9107! When you have free time I will be glad if you can give me an advice what to do! To pay them EUR195 or not? To trust them or not?

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,
Peter7878



Edited by Peter7878 (Wednesday, October 30, 2013 @ 16:12 GMT)


     
  30-Oct-13, 16:17   #2
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
I'm not Swedish, but it sounds terribly fishy to me. Ask yourself, if this agency knows anything about your qualifications, or is the offer open to anyone?
Can you find out anything about them online, or is it a company that changes their name every other month or so...
I would think the employer would pay any fees as soon as you're hired, not you.

Good luck, but tread with caution.

     
  30-Oct-13, 16:34   #3
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
Posted by marqis:
I'm not Swedish, but it sounds terribly fishy to me. Ask yourself, if this agency knows anything about your qualifications, or is the offer open to anyone?
Can you find out anything about them online, or is it a company that changes their name every other month or so...
I would think the employer would pay any fees as soon as you're hired, not you.

Good luck, but tread with caution.


I am registered here:

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true

This is the official site of the European Union, where employers from EU are looking for employees from other EU countries.

I have a message from this Swedish agency but not to my personal email. This message was send to my personal EU account! They contacted me becuse EU employers can see my CV.

Other interesting fact is that they have photos of their employees on their site:

http://swederecruit.com/our-staff/

So, it looks serious I think Confused If this is a collusion, they have to be very naive to look for employees via the Official site of the Europen Commission Question Because if this Swedish recruitment company is not correct, the European Commission will make them huge problems!

But something strange happened today! I opened my EU account and the message from this agency disappeared. How this is possible? Only I can delete the messages. How the message was deleted is still a mistery for me!

     
  30-Oct-13, 16:34   #4
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Never mind, this is a scam...

Just do a google image search on the picture of their CEO... It is some dude from http://invisiblechildren.com/about/our-team/ with a different name...

It looks like they ripped that whole site...

Also the site itself is terrible, including all sorts of spelling and grammar mistakes...

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Posted by Peter7878:
But something strange happened today! I opened my EU account and the message from this agency disappeared. How this is possible? Only I can delete the messages. How the message was deleted is still a mistery for me!

Looks like they were found out then... Smile

Edited by marqis (Wednesday, October 30, 2013 @ 16:42 GMT)


     
  30-Oct-13, 16:46   #5
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
Posted by marqis:
Never mind, this is a scam...

Just do a google image search on the picture of their CEO... It is some dude from http://invisiblechildren.com/about/our-team/ with a different name...

It looks like they ripped that whole site...

Also the site itself is terrible, including all sorts of spelling and grammar mistakes...


OMG, you are right!!!

The first three photos are from the invisible children site. They have different names! This is fake!

Thank you very much marqis! Smile I thought to pay them, but as you said this is a scam! These photos are fake!

You should work like a detective! Big Smile

     
  30-Oct-13, 16:59   #6
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HenryMinute 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 67 (M)
Posts: 207
Posted by Peter7878:
You should work like a detective! Big Smile

Didn't he tell you?

His real name is Van der Valk! (google it Smile )

     
  30-Oct-13, 16:59   #7
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Posted by Peter7878:
Thank you very much marqis! Smile I thought to pay them, but as you said this is a scam! These photos are fake!

You should work like a detective! Big Smile

Hehe Smile

It's just I never trust anything that promises the world, for "just a small administration fee".
Even the legitimate headhunters are arguably crooks, their fees are extortionate, but at least they provide us with some sort of service.

It's good that you posted this, since now anyone falling for the same thing can find this thread just by searching google for their url (although they will have a new domain name next week I'm sure)...

Btw looking for a job, in some of the better paying countries, is a good idea in itself, but maybe you should do the looking yourself, not some go-inbetween. It is true that English is enough to get a job in the Netherlands for example (Sweden even more so I believe), if you have the appropriate skills for the job in question.

     
  30-Oct-13, 17:46   #8
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 910
Yeah as the others say, don't trust it, it's complete bullsh*t! And also, €3000 a month, that's like €500 more then I make and I work about 170-180 hours a month, more then a full-time job. I work as a nurse and I'm pretty well payed since I work so much over time due to lack of personnel. It doesn't say if those €3000 are before or after taxes from what I can see but if it's after taxes, then that would be about the double of what the average swede earns.

So yeah, don't trust that crap, just delete and move on! But if you ever want a job in the health care business, Sweden is the place to go! You might only get hired on a hour by hour basis but you'll most likely end up working at least 80% Tongue

     
  30-Oct-13, 17:49   #9
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
Hey marqis I see you are very good investigator! What do you think about this message? Do you find something suspicious? They don't want any money. A week ago I sent them an email but still I don't have answer. How do you find their site?

============================================================
Title:
Workers to Sweden

Description:
Hi, We are a Swedish recruitment company looking for workers in Europe. We are currently looking for workers to Sweden in your job category. We have agreements with hundreds of employers in Sweden who now need workers. We want to know if you are interested in working in Sweden. If you are, please attach your CV to us via:

http://www.job4sweden.se/externjobapply/

Once you have attached your CV, we will process your request and find a job for you in Sweden. And then send job offers specifically for you. We have full-time jobs and part time. You decide when you want to start working and how you wish to work. You do not have to master the Swedish language. What we provide as a recruitment company: - Work permit in Sweden - Good employment - The right salary. Always at least 18000 SEK a month. (Swedish average salary) - Securing agreement - Private Apartment (at least 50 kvm2)


Sincerely Magnus Pettersson,
recrutiment manager

magnus.pettersson@job4sweden.se Please attach your CV via http://www.job4sweden.se/externjobapply/



===========================================================

Marqis, anything suspicious here Confused

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Erru, thank you very much for your answer! Smile I have bachelor degree of tourism. I never worked at the health care sector. Thanks again. Smile

Edited by Peter7878 (Wednesday, October 30, 2013 @ 18:13 GMT)


     
  30-Oct-13, 19:10   #10
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 3179
Posted by HenryMinute:
Posted by Peter7878:
You should work like a detective! Big Smile

Didn't he tell you?

His real name is Van der Valk! (google it Smile )



Big Smile

     
  30-Oct-13, 19:17   #11
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
It's a scam.
I'll accept half of what they were going to charge you for giving you this invaluable information and saving you from yourself.

     
  30-Oct-13, 19:44   #12
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10026
Never trust anything that you get in your email.
If something looks real to you and you want to get involved, dont do a single step,
if you havent done a thorough research about the subject.
You can easily identify all these fake sites.

     
  30-Oct-13, 20:52   #13
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Posted by Peter7878:
Hey marqis I see you are very good investigator!


All I did, is recognize something that is a dead giveaway in many scams: "pay us a little bit of money up front, and you'll be rich". If the "you'll be rich" part were really true, they would not need any money up front. Then the site itself looked very dodgy to me (bad grammar etc...). And of course the pictures... Just right click in chrome, and google image search led me to the original site; nothing to it...

Posted by Peter7878:
Marqis, anything suspicious here Confused


I'm really not any kind of investigator, but their site looks terrible, with all the advertising and such. If my business were headhunting, I'd be ashamed of such a site.

I own a software development company, and we've gotten some of our best employees through recruiters. I feel however that it had nothing much to do with the recruiter, just luck. These recruiters don't care one way or the other; all they want is to get paid for any one that gets hired, with the least amount of effort. And they get paid a lot, leaving the employee with a far lower salary then they deserve.

My advice is to try and find something yourself, and skip the recruiters, especially those that actively seek you out. If you do want to go with a recruiter (the good ones do have connections that you would otherwise not find yourself), find a reputable one, not an "ambulance chaser".

One more thing. If you do find a job via a recruiter, be aware that the company is paying a lot more money for you, than you are getting. Make sure some of that money comes your way when the contract with the recruiter runs out, and the company wants to keep you on. Maybe mention that you are aware of this when the subject of salary comes up in your interview, and negotiate what will happen when their contract is over. If you don't, it might take a while for your salary to catch up to what it should be...

     
  30-Oct-13, 21:57   #14
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
marqis, thank you very much for the advices. Yes, you are right about the recruitment agencies. I never used their servces. I am always looking for a job by myself.

Only once I used the services of: http://www.adecco.co.uk/ but actually I didn't want to use their services. It was very strange situation. I worked for IBM, but my contract was not IBM contract. It was Adecco contract. I mean, I had contract with Adecco and I received the salraies from Adecco. IBM was paying my salary to Adecco, and Adecco gave me the salary.

So, I found this very strange. That is why I don't want to use the services of any recruitment agency.

Yes, I am wondering as well, what site is this (Job 4 Sweden)? It is looking very bad. They should be ashamed.

Thank you very much for your advices! Smile

     
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