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  29-Nov-13, 10:00   #1
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mirexxx 
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Go get your calculators and let us know what % is for 7 8 to win i think 23% Smile

     
  29-Nov-13, 15:16   #2
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Peter7878 

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If this was PokerStars, I would say 95% for 78 and 5% for AA to win. And to be honest if I play at PokerStars and if I have the opportunity to chose between these two hands, difinately I would choose 78.

I had too many PokerStars AA bad beats. This is just a simple trick, to get AA and to be out of the tournaments very soon. Big Smile

I never played Switch Poker, but probably it's the same. I would say that the guy with 78 will have a straight or straight flush and will win the hand. Smile

     
  29-Nov-13, 15:43   #3
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mirexxx 
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Posted by Peter7878:


I never played Switch Poker, but probably it's the same. I would say that the guy with 78 will have a straight or straight flush and will win the hand. Smile


on jokerstars 78 is premium hands Big Smile!
this i poker Big Smile

     
  29-Nov-13, 15:48   #4
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zeroster 

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22.87%

     
  29-Nov-13, 16:03   #5
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DaCapo71 
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Odds and Outs, stacksize Position and "feeling" are another important components for a move. And in the higher levels it was interesting to have a tracking software. So the Outs are not the only important part of the game...

     
  29-Nov-13, 16:28   #6
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mirexxx 
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In future i will prob just slowplay them,i just dread to look down n see AA.

Implied odds by this you mean the caller holding 67 off recons he has a 50/50 chance of winning as only 2 of us were in the hand..
bad beats are a dime a dozen. I had one run where I had AA cracked 33 of 40 times over 3 weeks of play by hands like 6-7s, 8-2o, J-8o etc. It's just the nature of the game but over the long run AA is going to win 85% of the time against one other player.

     
  29-Nov-13, 16:45   #7
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Macubaas 
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zeroster is right, i mean i got the same result using my holdem calculator...

Still, you also need to consider others are also very right, on stars that percent is a lot higher especially if you are located in RU lol

     
  29-Nov-13, 16:55   #8
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Phisix 

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Posted by mirexxx:

In future i will prob just slowplay them,i just dread to look down n see AA.

Implied odds by this you mean the caller holding 67 off recons he has a 50/50 chance of winning as only 2 of us were in the hand..
bad beats are a dime a dozen. I had one run where I had AA cracked 33 of 40 times over 3 weeks of play by hands like 6-7s, 8-2o, J-8o etc. It's just the nature of the game but over the long run AA is going to win 85% of the time against one other player.


I actually dread AA these days as they never seem to hold up unless the board is dry. That and thinking they will win even if I am beat or behind. I saw AA get cracked by someone going all in with K2o last night so anythings possible.

     
  29-Nov-13, 19:11   #9
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doubletop777 
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I would think you are about right. This is the best sort of hand to try and crack aces and i have seen it hold up on many occasions. At the end of the day Pocket Aces is only 1 pair post flop and you nearly always need a bit of help for it to hold up

     
  29-Nov-13, 21:17   #10
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Arty182925 
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99% for 7 8 to win... I know that from experience.

Just played a tourney. Got pocket aces, hit ace at table and with river he got str8.

And it was close to bubble, couldnt fold at all. And with three of aces if i won that pot I could play way longer then bubble. Ah well only 1 chance left tomorrow for tourney.

Surprise, surprise...

So yeah, 99% for 7 8 to win.


     
  29-Nov-13, 21:24   #11
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cLIVEEE 
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I believe AA would win in any situation.

Without seeing the flop the odd's of AA winning are a clear 99% favourite, even though everyone in this forum believes that it's in favour of the 78 suited.

     
  29-Nov-13, 21:54   #12
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damosk 
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The true odds for these starting hands, as identified by Zeroster, are 22.87% (22.9% to make it easier).

The fact that everyone's recollection of losing AA against a suited pair does not alter these odds (no matter how much you convince yourselves otherwise).

What you need to remember is that this makes it only a 1 in 4 chance of the suited pair winning. Or put another way, the AA will win 3 out of every 4 hands. Which is nowhere near your suggested odds or probability of always.

What you will probably find is that you only recall the big wins 78s v AA or big losses that you experience.

The reality of it is it is and always will be 22.9% which means your AA will sometimes lose when it goes to showdown.

     
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