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  9-Dec-13, 23:57   #1
Omaha question +2 
uno1Bomber 

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Look at this H.History:

Pre-flop: (225, 7 players) Hero is MP3: 3:d, 3:s, Q:c, 9:s
MP1 calls 150, RT69 folds, MP2 calls 150, Hero calls 150, RT58 folds, CO calls 150, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: K:c, 7:c, A:c (825, 5 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets 150, MP2 calls 150, Hero calls 150, CO folds, BB calls 150

Turn: 5:c (1425, 4 players)
BB bets 300, MP1 raises to 600, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 900, BB raises to 1200, MP1 calls 600, Hero calls 300

River: K:h (5025, 3 players)
BB bets 300, MP1 raises to 458 (All-in), Hero calls 95 (All-in), BB calls 158

Final Pot: 6036

Results follows:
MP1: shows [7h 2c Jc Js] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
BB: shows [2d 3h Th 2h] (HI: two pair, Kings and Deuces; LO: 7,5,3,2,A)
Hero: shows [3d 3s Qc 9s] (HI: two pair, Kings and Threes)
BB (big blind) showed [2d 3h Th 2h] and won (3018) with HI: two pair, Kings and Deuces; LO: 7,5,3,2,A
MP1 showed [7h 2c Jc Js] and won (3018) with HI: a flush, Ace high
Hero showed [3d 3s Qc 9s] and lost with HI: two pair, Kings and Threes
MP1 collected 363 from side pot
BB collected 363 from side pot
MP1 collected 2655 from main pot
BB collected 2655 from main pot

Why the hero's flush is not counted? Confused

Edited by uno1Bomber (Monday, December 09, 2013 @ 23:59 GMT)


     
  10-Dec-13, 00:54   #2
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djpremier 
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because you did not have flush ... in omaha the hands are made of TWO of the hole cards and THREE of the community cards..

     
  10-Dec-13, 02:23   #3
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zeroster 

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No shame in making that mistake. Every, and I mean EVERY, rookie Omaha player makes that mistake.

     
  10-Dec-13, 02:36   #4
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vixtorinox 
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Posted by zeroster:
No shame in making that mistake. Every, and I mean EVERY, rookie Omaha player makes that mistake.

Thumbs Up I caused laughter, but it was the best answer

     
  10-Dec-13, 02:37   #5
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Plexo 
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Here is the explanation:

It took me some time to realize this as well.

The basic differences between Omaha and Texas hold 'em are these: first, each player is dealt four hole cards instead of two. The betting rounds and layout of community cards are identical. At showdown, each player's hand is the best five-card hand made from exactly three of the five cards on the board, plus exactly two of the player's own cards. Unlike Texas hold 'em, a player cannot play four or five of the cards on the board with fewer than two of his own, nor can a player use three or four hole cards to disguise a strong hand.


Gl next one!

     
  10-Dec-13, 02:56   #6
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uno1Bomber 

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Thank you guys. Now it's clear for me.
So, in Omaha I can use only 3 community cards unlike holdem.

     
  10-Dec-13, 03:10   #7
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3pokeronly 

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Hi uno, sort of, let me clarify.

For Omaha High only you must use 2 cards from your hole cards (i.e. your hand) these 2 cards + any 3 of the community cards will make up your actual showdown hand.

If playing Hi/Lo variant, same as above AND you must use any 2 cards your hole cards (these do not need to be the same cards as used in your high hand ) + any 3 of the community card will make up your actual low showdown hand.

as an example.

You hold As Ad 2d 3s. (this is the nuts hi/lo BTW)

Board comes Ac Ah 8d 6s Kc

Your high would be AAAA, your 2 aces and the boards 2 aces.
Your low would be A2368, your 23 and the boards A68.

Hope this helps a little, Omaha is a great game, like all poker tho, it takes some practice.
GL 3P

     
  10-Dec-13, 07:14   #8
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magatt966 

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Posted by zeroster:
No shame in making that mistake. Every, and I mean EVERY, rookie Omaha player makes that mistake.


Can confirm without any shame, but rather proudly, I made the same mistake when I first tried omaha Cool

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Posted by uno1Bomber:
Thank you guys. Now it's clear for me.
So, in Omaha I can use only 3 community cards unlike holdem.



yep, that's it
Thumbs Up

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PS: sorry uno1bomber I meant to give a Thumbs Up to your thread I quoted but misclicked on Thumbs Down

Can someone please balance my mistake giving him one Thumbs Up or two ?

thx in advance Worship Worship

     
  10-Dec-13, 10:42   #9
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doubletop777 
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You do not have a flush, thats why its not counted. You must use two of your hole cards and three of the community cards in Omaha. If the board has four clubs and you have the rag ace of clubs this is not a flush unless you have two clubs

     
  10-Dec-13, 16:07   #10
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DaCapo71 
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Omaha is a verry tricky game for holdem plyer. Without expirience, we can make verry big errors with this game style. But Omaha is good to get new Motivation and try a new game with more playing options.

     
  10-Dec-13, 17:31   #11
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Macubaas 
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Frankly i saw the hand that was dealt to hero and realized he is a PLO rookie if he played that weak hand.

The answer is of course the one that other mobsters already posted but i wouls suggest the player to read first some pre flop hand selection in PLO because it's different than NLHE.

     
  10-Dec-13, 19:05   #12
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Nastasha1982 
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Posted by Macubaas:
Frankly i saw the hand that was dealt to hero and realized he is a PLO rookie if he played that weak hand.

The answer is of course the one that other mobsters already posted but i wouls suggest the player to read first some pre flop hand selection in PLO because it's different than NLHE.


Yeh, just fold this starting hand pre-flop. It's pretty dire.

     
  10-Dec-13, 19:23   #13
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stanjonhson 
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hah! was laughint enough of this one Big Smile but the point is omaha is harder game in my opinion. But I preffer omaha Hi low NL

     
  10-Dec-13, 22:54   #14
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Mober 
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If you havent read the rules about omaha you are gonna make that mistake.
I have done so myself also, left me starring the screen and wonder what on earth just
happened and lost all my buy in.
Asked in the chat, what happened, got no answers, probably they were laughing,
saying i am a noob. And i was lol. Sat out and looked the rules over the net,
so my question was answered.
That was a lesson for me and before started playing another version of poker,
i went through the rules first Smile

     
  11-Dec-13, 00:57   #15
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3pokeronly 

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Hi Mober and all, I kinda understand the why, you do not coach a "live" game. In chat rooms etc. coaching and playing tips are totally fine. Personally love Omaha, and to be honest nearly all other variants as well, I think each of them has a different skill set and each adds value to your overall poker game and many of the skills (and scares) are transferable to eventually give a much more rounded total game, it does not stop you getting donked, bad beated or avoiding a bunch of low % draws, but helps you spot the possibilities, sometimes avoid them or use good pot control to limit the losses and the kickers, get extra value when there or bluff the right spots.

GL All 3P

Sorry, had to edit, did not provide any humor.

I have found a government department that actually listens to the people, it is called the NSA (or in New Zealand the GCSB, please feel free to use this joke and replace with which ever spy agency acronym your country uses, lol)

Edited by 3pokeronly (Wednesday, December 11, 2013 @ 01:01 GMT)


     
  11-Dec-13, 17:45   #16
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Macubaas 
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I would never suggest to play omaha(any variation hi or plo8) as no limit game especially on real money...

By definition this game is a post flop game so not even with the best starting hand you should never go all in pre flop. I do not play hi low but in my opinion is a much more complex game overall than hi.

     
  11-Dec-13, 22:37   #17
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uno1Bomber 

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Posted by Mober:
If you havent read the rules about omaha you are gonna make that mistake.
I have done so myself also, left me starring the screen and wonder what on earth just
happened and lost all my buy in.
Asked in the chat, what happened, got no answers, probably they were laughing,
saying i am a noob. And i was lol. Sat out and looked the rules over the net,
so my question was answered.
That was a lesson for me and before started playing another version of poker,
i went through the rules first Smile

Smile Yea, I has the same reaction. When 5 Club comes at turn, I thought I have a top flush ))
When I lose that hand I was really confused.
Today I tried another new (for me) kind of p0ker.
Irish p0ker - it's like omaha, but there you can use all of community cards like in holdem.
Or it's like holdem but with 4 hole cards Big Smile
PS after the flop you should fold 2 of them

Edited by uno1Bomber (Wednesday, December 11, 2013 @ 22:41 GMT)


     
  11-Dec-13, 22:55   #18
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Peter7878 

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Posted by uno1Bomber:

Today I tried another new (for me) kind of p0ker.
Irish p0ker - it's like omaha, but there you can use all of community cards like in holdem.
Or it's like holdem but with 4 hole cards Big Smile


I love to play Irish as well. Try Courchevel. It is very interesting! I love it!

     
  11-Dec-13, 22:58   #19
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uno1Bomber 

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ty Peter, I'll try Smile

     
  11-Dec-13, 23:05   #20
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3pokeronly 

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Hi uno, hi all, yes enjoy Irish as well, it is one of those games that sometimes you have to throw nice looking hands before the flop as you cover most of your own outs, also if you have a nice balanced hand the 2 cards to throw always seem to be the ones you should of kept! Like all poker games timing and aggression are the key.

I heard a story, a live cash game was in progress and a drunk guy sat down, and started abusing everybody including the dealer, swearing, spilling drinks and just making an arse of himself. The dealer said to him "shut you stupid drunk donkey cu*t", the drunk guy complained to the floor manager. The floor manager after reviewing the tape asked the drunk have you met the dealer before, the drunk said no, then the dealer said "OK, it was just a lucky guess then".

3P out

     
  11-Dec-13, 23:07   #21
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uno1Bomber 

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Big Smile Nice story

     
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