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  25-Dec-13, 21:31   #1
What do you think about this call? 0 
uno1Bomber 

Joined: May '13
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 541
Poker Stars $1+0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players

CO: t22229 M = 21.17
BTN: t7850 M = 7.48
SB: t4717 M = 4.49
Hero (BB): t11055 M = 10.53
UTG: t34475 M = 32.83
UTG+1: t9386 M = 8.94
UTG+2: t500 M = 0.48
MP1: t15743 M = 14.99
MP2: t3945 M = 3.76

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with K 2
4 folds, MP2 calls t400, CO calls t400, 1 fold, SB calls t200, Hero checks

Flop: (t2050) 5 3 A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t800, MP2 raises to t3495 all in, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls t2695

Turn: (t9040) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t9040) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t9040
Hero shows K 2 (two pair, Fives and Threes)
MP2 shows A J (two pair, Aces and Fives)
MP2 wins t9040

I had flush draw + gutshot straight draw.
How do you think, is this good call or bad?

     
  25-Dec-13, 22:03   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
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You are just priced in to call here. In a cash game it would be a call, but in a tourney it will ruin your day more often than not. Don't like your bet on the flop. 800 in a 2000 pot? This is asking for trouble.

     
  26-Dec-13, 00:44   #3
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marqis 

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Age: 48 (M)
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Posted by shokaku:
You are just priced in to call here. In a cash game it would be a call, but in a tourney it will ruin your day more often than not. Don't like your bet on the flop. 800 in a 2000 pot? This is asking for trouble.

I think the pot was 1600, so he bet 1/2 pot, which is fine IMO.

The call, is 2695 with the pot at 1600 + 800 + 3495 = 5895, giving just over 2:1 odds.
You have 12 outs (9 spades + 3 fours), which is about 48% to win. So the call is about even money I'd say.

Given the low M (3.76) for MP2, his all-in looks like a bluff (He should probably have pushed AJ pre flop).

I tend to agree with how you played it, but folding would not have been terrible either.

     
  26-Dec-13, 07:47   #4
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shokaku 

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At the flop the pot is actually 2050. So a bet of just 800 here is a bit low in my book, espacially multiway. Putting us in a tough place, if we got raised, like in the hand.

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At the flop the pot is actually 2050. So a bet of just 800 here is a bit low in my book, espacially multiway. Putting us in a tough place, if we got raised, like in the hand.

Edited by shokaku (Thursday, December 26, 2013 @ 07:51 GMT)


     
  26-Dec-13, 08:08   #5
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marqis 

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Posted by shokaku:
At the flop the pot is actually 2050. So a bet of just 800 here is a bit low in my book, espacially multiway. Putting us in a tough place, if we got raised, like in the hand.

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At the flop the pot is actually 2050. So a bet of just 800 here is a bit low in my book, espacially multiway. Putting us in a tough place, if we got raised, like in the hand.

Oops, forgot about the antes, you're correct...

That makes the odds for calling better...

Edited by marqis (Thursday, December 26, 2013 @ 08:12 GMT)


     
  26-Dec-13, 08:08   #6
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
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I mainly play cash so there your move was good but this since it's a tournament things changes a bit.

In the end i also agree that your play was NOT wrong but other mobsters specialised could give you better opinions than me.

     
  26-Dec-13, 09:28   #7
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 5552
I think this is a must call. You played the hand perfectly correctly and you could do nothing else but call when this flop came down. You were just unlucky not to improve and there was nothing you could do about the hand post flop

     
  26-Dec-13, 10:09   #8
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Have no problem with that (apart from your flop-bet).
With a M like that we are looking for a spot to go deep or bust and for me this wud be a spot.

     
  26-Dec-13, 13:21   #9
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uno1Bomber 

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Thank you guys for your responses. Thumbs Up

     
  26-Dec-13, 13:36   #10
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
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Posted by marqis:
The call, is 2695 with the pot at 1600 + 800 + 3495 = 5895, giving just over 2:1 odds.
You have 12 outs (9 spades + 3 fours), which is about 48% to win. So the call is about even money I'd say.


Slightly +EV.

Well played,no need to bet any higher on the flop.

Also,as for the "MTT vs. cash game" debate,this situation can be calculated similar to a cashgame because we're still far,far away from a phase where ICm calculations would take place,this is still pure chip-EV

     
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