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  3-Jan-14, 14:48   #1
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
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I have watched some 6max DON´s on PartyPoker (10max as well, but 6max´s seem more fishy and there is more traffic) on micro stakes and I see some dead money over there, I am just not sure if it is worth it, because the rake looks quite high (11%).
What are your thoughts on them?

     
  3-Jan-14, 15:15   #2
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
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Well if you think it's dead money then go for it, yeah me too don't like the rake as it's too high but with a rakeback account there on a long term project you'll for sure be a winning player... but I think for you it's too late now as you already have an account at PP.

     
  3-Jan-14, 15:17   #3
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mckormack 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: United Kingdom
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I suppose if you consider yourself pretty good at sit n go's they are worth a go but i would imagine at 11% rake and the % of sit n go's you would have to win it would be difficult to do more than break even but i suppose if you put in enough volume you could make a marginal profit.

     
  3-Jan-14, 15:32   #4
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
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It´s not easy to beat, ok the plyer there are not so good. But 20% Fee was unbeatable in combination with the suckouts. I think you need a long long time to grow up step by step or you start at the higher levels with less than 20% fee.

     
  3-Jan-14, 15:35   #5
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magatt966 

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Posted by DaCapo71:
It's not easy to beat, ok the plyer there are not so good. But 20% Fee was unbeatable in combination with the suckouts. I think you need a long long time to grow up step by step or you start at the higher levels with less than 20% fee.



No one talked about a 20% rake but just 11% .

     
  3-Jan-14, 15:43   #6
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
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I'm finding them fairly profitable. I won 30 tournament dollars on the Xmas calendar and managed to spin it up to $160 playing $2 DON's

     
  3-Jan-14, 16:23   #7
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
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I have an account there, but I am not playing there yet, because I am waiting for the 10$ no deposit bonus.
The bonus basically offers you 93% rakeback (if my calculations are right 1$ rake = 2 party points and 300 party points to get 140$) so I don´t mind being it only marginaly profitable.
But since the micro stakes SNGs on PartyPoker are only turbo 10max and 6max DON´s and 6max regular speed SNG´s (1$ has more games available, but it has enormous rake and for 2$ I won´t have enough bankroll that soon) I will have to play the DON´s anyways.

     
  3-Jan-14, 17:16   #8
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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yeah rake is on the high side, but game is relatively soft- i actually won a few of them without playing a hand (guess i was playing "morons only" table...wonder if they still have those around). what i don't like about them (and party poker in general) is that you have to wait quite a bit if you want to multitable say 4-8 of those. really miss the good old days of dons @ stars

     
  3-Jan-14, 19:10   #9
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
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If you feel that you can be profitable than play it, in time you can move to higher limits where rake is a bit lower...

As someone above said you already made an account but there are sites on which you can get a rakeback deal and thats great for cash or sng players.

Good luck and keep us posted!

     
  4-Jan-14, 12:41   #10
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
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I think that you should go for it if you think it is dead money. You should always try to take advantage of any situation that you think gives you an edge. It is never easy as it seems but you seem to be quite confident and i wish you well in this venture

     
  4-Jan-14, 16:42   #11
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
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Watching any kind of game is a whole different from playing it.
You will need to give it a go for yourself to see what is really going on there.
You may end up like zeroster who is doing very well so far. Good luck.

     
  4-Jan-14, 17:21   #12
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
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Thank you for your thoughts, hope my free 10$ arrive to my account soon so I can start playing the DON´s and get some good sample of tournaments to get idea, how profitable these tournaments can be.
I will let you know how it went when I will have at least 1000 tournaments played.

     
  4-Jan-14, 21:23   #13
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Keep in mind that the rake at party poker SNG ts high when you play at low buyins.

Secondly I advise you to read some strategy about DoN, as they have to be played in a different way than normal 1 tables at which the top 3 or top 2 gets ITM andplace 1 is better payed.
In DoN your aim is just to get ITM and avoid as man risks as you can (folding QQ can be profitable)


     
  4-Jan-14, 21:49   #14
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
Posts: 913
Of course I know the DON strategy, the microstakes can profitable, because the people don´t know what are doing and they are often doing crazy things:

-limping on high blinds
-3x raising on high blinds (and mostly with stupid holdings)
-calling those raises
and much more

And the beauty of 6max is, that sometimes (maybe most times lol) you don´t even have to play a single hand and still be ITM.


     
  4-Jan-14, 22:28   #15
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
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The stupid thing I see most often is people playing when there's no need to.

At the 6max DON's there are a total of 12000 chips in play. I often see a large stack of 5k+ calling or even raising with garbage such as 9,3 os. Seriously why? They can basically fold into the money.

The other ridiculous thing I see all too often is on the bubble with the small stack all in and a couple of callers some idiot will try to bet the other players off the pot. This one drives me crazy.

     
  4-Jan-14, 22:47   #16
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hemuli 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Finland
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it gives them good confidence for bluffing Thumbs Up

     
  5-Jan-14, 16:50   #17
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10039
The things zeroster said is true.
There are always some idiots that no matter what, while the prize is equal for the winning
places, they still try to get as most chips as possible.
How much of an IQ do you need to understand that when the bubble is all in,
you just check the hand till the river. You dont kick people out of the pot with huge
bets.
You must have the same buttons like all of us do.
It says CHECK on it. Just click on that.

     
  5-Jan-14, 17:13   #18
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hazeform 
Joined: Jan '11
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 506
it is not that easy as many people think to play dons profitable cause of the high rake at the micros.
but give it a try there are many bad players which don´t know how to play them.

i like the super turbo husng`s there.if you like husng`s i would try them too.
of couse the variance is much higer at this games

cheers Spade

     
  11-Jan-14, 23:01   #19
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
When Stars used to have DoNs,the $1.10s had 9% rake and people printed money @ 20 cents per game (when they introduced them that is). Not sure what stakes you plan to play,but definitely there is money in them.
If you really plan to play DoNs I wouldn't choose party though,rather play on an ipoker or ongame site,get a good flat rakeback/rewards deal and rake in that rakeback,your pre rakeback winrate in those will nowdays always be below the rake you pay so that way might be more profitable

     
  12-Jan-14, 08:40   #20
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (F)
Posts: 2196
they are great for clearing bonus' though

     
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