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i had feeling he catch third 8,playing against aggro donk he play almost every hand,no matter of position,i make few mistake and allow him to see almost free river
PokerStars Hand #109690051132: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/01/06 17:04:09 CET [2014/01/06 11:04:09 ET] Table 'Coppelia IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: DjIN_rus ($2.30 in chips) Seat 2: lacpkr ($2.10 in chips) Seat 3: fishermanSPb ($1.09 in chips) Seat 4: miamia78 ($1.18 in chips) Seat 5: skyrex32 ($0.39 in chips) Seat 6: radis499 ($3.26 in chips) DjIN_rus: posts small blind $0.01 lacpkr: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to miamia78 [Ks Ac] fishermanSPb: folds miamia78: raises $0.04 to $0.06 skyrex32: folds radis499: raises $0.04 to $0.10 DjIN_rus: folds lacpkr: folds miamia78: calls $0.04 *** FLOP *** [Kc 2d 8d] miamia78: checks radis499: checks *** TURN *** [Kc 2d 8d] miamia78: bets $0.16 radis499: calls $0.16 *** RIVER *** [Kc 2d 8d As] miamia78: checks radis499: bets $1.02 miamia78: folds Uncalled bet ($1.02) returned to radis499 radis499 collected $0.53 from pot
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It is possible but not always this happens, i saw even on bigger stakes this kind of players, they bet almost half of their stack on river with air to make you fold the hand.
Without more details about him foldind is definately an okay option there. Keep us posted with your play
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Well the question is - if he is aggro donk - as you say, than he would probably bet his 2nd pair on the flop (if you believe he had an 8), specially after preflop 3bet. Thats pretty much the thing you should have an answer to.
And yes, definitly - push prefolp, you are way above his range
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my mistake is check on flop and small raise on turn,if i play C--bet on flop hand is defintly be on my side checking on turn and small bet on turn i give him chance to see river cheap and beat me with junk hand like K8o or any hand with 8,i writting before,this guy play and limp any two cards in hand
Why just call his ridiculous $0.04 raise pre-flop, just 4-bet to $0.24. Or do you feel you should get more value from your premium hand?
Why then not bet the flop? It looks like he's getting a lot of free cards, when he's in position, just by raising you $0.04 pre-flop (I bet he does this all the time)... If he has a draw, he should be paying for it on every street...
You really don't know where you're at on the river now, he might have been drawing, but he also might have a weaker ace; a difficult decision...
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Posted by marqis: Why just call his ridiculous $0.04 raise pre-flop, just 4-bet to $0.24. Or do you feel you should get more value from your premium hand?
Why then not bet the flop? It looks like he's getting a lot of free cards, when he's in position, just by raising you $0.04 pre-flop (I bet he does this all the time)... If he has a draw, he should be paying for it on every street...
You really don't know where you're at on the river now, he might have been drawing, but he also might have a weaker ace; a difficult decision...
Completely agree with this hand analisys.
Even better: knowing you are facing an aggrodonk I should raise 4BB preflop instead of "usual" 3BB and consequently I would suggest you to 4bet him at least 3.5x preflop.
FLOP: just don't check (make him pay to see cards): you have TPTK bet at least 66%pot even 75%pot is ok against him.
If he is still calling....well for you.
TURN brings you T2P: just shove and good game
RIVER: popcorn time here
this is what I usually do expecially at the lower stakes
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I think i would have been very tempted to call here. The odds on him catching the third eight are slim so mathematically speaking i would have thought you would have to call. But when you are playing it is sometimes down to how you are feeling and not straightforward maths
