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  15-Jan-14, 17:32   #1
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Johan68 
Joined: May '10
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I play several tournaments of bankroll at pokerstars.
How does i come that when we get closer to the pay-out that always the bigstack get his winning card on the river, also when he/she is playing with crapcards.

Edited by Johan68 (Wednesday, January 15, 2014 @ 17:32 GMT)


     
  15-Jan-14, 17:53   #2
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bowie1984 

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Big stacks have more opportunity to broaden their range when close to the bubble everybody tightened up more than they should be (they should be playing for winning the tourey, not playing for arriving itm).
And if everybody is tight at the table, they will play whichever rags got in their hands cause they will be able to read the opponents range with pretty good accuracy.

     
  15-Jan-14, 17:59   #3
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xxxpokerxxx1 

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you will find that most players that play those games have multiple accounts,and don't really care how they play,and big stacks play any thing,you will find that most players like that,play bad and just get lucky through those tourneys,and don't win very much and are not winning players.I have played those games and can always tell when I play a fellow mober,cause mobers play poker and not bingo )
It is sad that the true mobsters,get knocked out by some password thief,but there are some mobers who are very good and can play.

     
  15-Jan-14, 18:08   #4
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av1966 
Joined: Mar '09
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At Pokerstars you will always have to acknowledge the famous magic river
There is even a very popular thread about the PS magic rivers.
The big stacks always play looser because of the size of their bankroll, the ammount of times they will hit something is enourmous compared to the small stacks who only play to try to get in the money.

It's all in the cards

     
  16-Jan-14, 00:38   #5
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dommelen1990 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Netherlands
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well its more likely you feel this happens more,
during a tournament this happens all the time only the times it happens near the bubble you keep longer in mind,
just watch in the low stakes tournaments you get called with almost every raise you place and noone cares where to call with

     
  16-Jan-14, 08:07   #6
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Nastasha1982 
Joined: Oct '13
Location: United Kingdom
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Arrrh the "big stack always wins" theory, load of rubbish. The power of selective memory can really mess with your head.

     
  16-Jan-14, 08:49   #7
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Heskor 
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Nah it is just random, bigger stacks can afford to flip and this might make you believe they win a lot with crap cards. They can afford flip and they will win as it is 50 % and they will not bust, that is why its good to be aggressive early on.

     
  16-Jan-14, 10:40   #8
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
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I have read a thread on one forum about reads on pokerstars software Big Smile
and one read was that if u have 10bb and u are on the bubble u should fold everything , yeah even AA caus u will loose Smile
another read was if u have big stack u have to call shorties very very light Smile

gl guys and have some fun at the tables Tongue

     
  16-Jan-14, 11:57   #9
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bowie1984 

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Posted by vsemoje:
I have read a thread on one forum about reads on pokerstars software Big Smile
and one read was that if u have 10bb and u are on the bubble u should fold everything , yeah even AA caus u will loose Smile
another read was if u have big stack u have to call shorties very very light Smile

gl guys and have some fun at the tables Tongue


Call me stupid, but I would never fold AA pre-flop, either in the bubble or anywhere else - altough I would really think twice going into a 4-5way all-in with them.
Its not about that they are some ultimate triumph of a hand - plenty far from it - but anybody whos blaming the RNG or the software on PS rather then take a good look in his own shortcomings just shortsighted and Im not sure the p.oker is a proper game cut out for them.
Once you played enough, you just happened to realize that the worldwide p.oker conspiracy and the illuminati that out there wanting your 20 bucks worth of tournament opt-in only exist in your braincells, nowhere else.

Edited by bowie1984 (Thursday, January 16, 2014 @ 12:02 GMT)


     
  16-Jan-14, 12:06   #10
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
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This always seems to happen in these tournaments and it is just down to pure luck sometimes. If it is your lucky day you always seem to catch the cards you need and vice versa when your luck is out. You just have to take it on the chin and move on

     
  16-Jan-14, 12:15   #11
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
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at bowie1984 seems u didnt understand my post... it was a joke man Smile

i would never fold AA in normal playout but in satellites with 2 tickets played and 3 left and with middle stack and one player with shortstack i would insta fold AA vs biggerstack than mine

     
  16-Jan-14, 12:34   #12
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bowie1984 

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Posted by vsemoje:
at bowie1984 seems u didnt understand my post... it was a joke man Smile

i would never fold AA in normal playout but in satellites with 2 tickets played and 3 left and with middle stack and one player with shortstack i would insta fold AA vs biggerstack than mine


I guessed it was satirical and now im sure.
GL at the tables.

And dont fold AA for a bigstack, statistically u wont come out of the situation better if you fold every hand waiting to others play it off in the bubble, the blinds/antes will chew you up in no time.

     
  16-Jan-14, 13:12   #13
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Nastasha1982 
Joined: Oct '13
Location: United Kingdom
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AA can only ever be folded in 2 circumstances that spring to mind;

1. Perhaps early in a tournament event whereby you have a HUGE edge. Say I sat down at a table with the world's worst poker players and we were playing 1000BB deep. One of them (or more) went all in pre-flop. You're taking a 80% winning chance (or less) over the chance of playing them over hundreds of hands with a massive edge.

2. As vesmoje says, and I have done this. In satellites where your stack is already enough to qualify. Example... there's 10 seats, 11 players left and you're clear chip-leader. It's an easy fold vs. the 2nd chip leader, or any big stacks.
Quite astonishing how badly people play satellite games. Just can't fold big hands even though they're effectively through.


     
  16-Jan-14, 15:03   #14
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
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You want to fold aces in situations where calling and winning gives you very little, but calling and losing can cripple/eliminate you:

-bubble at DON and 2 people with similar stacksizes are already all in before you
-bubble at satelite tournaments when you have big (more thatn 85%) chance of winning the ticket
against a similar or bigger stack

     
  16-Jan-14, 20:14   #15
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
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This you can notice not just on the pokerstars freerolls but on all tournaments.

There are two parts of the story, there are people that think that this is a set up but other know that usually big stacks tend to play a lot more hands and of course that they have luck more often on hands that do not promise nothing at beginning.

     
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