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  8-Feb-14, 18:43   #1
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grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 707
pokerstars is a fuckin joke, guy in following post raised every single hand and won everythging beat pocket kings with 35 beats flopped str8 with runner runner flush! guy hits everything..

if you want to try your luck against him..GL.lol you will need it!


PokerStars Hand #111496501797: Hold'em No Limit ($0.08/$0.16 USD) - 2014/02/08 18:35:15 WET [2014/02/08 13:35:15 ET]
Table 'Sigelinde III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: trapTIP92 ($16 in chips)
Seat 2: vaeri85 ($12.56 in chips)
Seat 3: hansgh ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 4: A2345maybe ($13.04 in chips)
Seat 5: mantisxyle ($16 in chips)
hansgh: posts small blind $0.08
A2345maybe: posts big blind $0.16
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to A2345maybe [Tc Ac]
mantisxyle: folds
trapTIP92: folds
vaeri85: calls $0.16
hansgh: raises $0.16 to $0.32
A2345maybe: calls $0.16
vaeri85: calls $0.16
*** FLOP *** [9s As 2c]
hansgh: bets $0.48
A2345maybe: raises $1.92 to $2.40
vaeri85: folds
hansgh: calls $1.92
*** TURN *** [9s As 2c] Queen of clubs
hansgh: checks
A2345maybe: bets $10.32 and is all-in
hansgh: calls $10.32
*** RIVER *** [9s As 2c Qc] 3 of spades
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hansgh: shows [Ad 3d] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
A2345maybe: shows [Tc Ac] (a pair of Aces)
hansgh collected $25.21 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26.40 | Rake $1.19
Board [9s As 2c Qc 3s]
Seat 1: trapTIP92 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: vaeri85 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: hansgh (small blind) showed [Ad 3d] and won ($25.21) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 4: A2345maybe (big blind) showed [Tc Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: mantisxyle folded before Flop (didn't bet)

     
  8-Feb-14, 18:55   #2
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5682
He is the table's 'Designated Winner'..... Big Smile < lol....

Hey,.... I have shoved EVERY f'ing hand in about 50 BrM tourneys over there, and haven't won so much as a lousy .05c....!!! Angry

Maybe THAT guy could tutor me..... Confused

     
  8-Feb-14, 18:57   #3
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Plexo 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Chile
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 1336
Posted by demodawggy:
He is the table's 'Designated Winner'..... Big Smile < lol....

Hey,.... I have shoved EVERY f'ing hand in about 50 BrM tourneys over there, and haven't won so much as a lousy .05c....!!! Angry

Maybe THAT guy could tutor me..... Confused


I've been trying to play my best poker every BRM freeroll tournament at PS and I have won nothing Big Smile

You could be my tutor demo. Agree

Edited by Plexo (Saturday, February 08, 2014 @ 19:01 GMT)


     
  8-Feb-14, 19:00   #4
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Phisix 

Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 2216
It's just an unlucky suckout by an idiot player. Standard thing on any poker site, idiocy always sucks out. Smile

     
  8-Feb-14, 19:13   #5
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MFZERO 
Joined: Oct '12
Location: Canada
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 129
Nothing new here. Donkey's always river you at Stars.

     
  8-Feb-14, 19:20   #6
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5682
....and I will add,....I shoved ALL those hands in 7 consecutive tourneys per day starting on Feb. 1st and the river only went my way a few times...

I'm thinking some PokerStars spy is hovering over your house in a black helicopter... Big Smile Thumbs Up

     
  9-Feb-14, 08:09   #7
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Another good example for which pokerstars is called riverstars, right...

I guess it's better to try out other poker sites too if you start to lose constantly on pokerstars.

     
  9-Feb-14, 10:33   #8
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3698
I have found an article on the net of about top 10 reasons why pokerstars is a joke, if you're a regular at this poker room you'll find some familiar things in this article...

1) In NL cash games, 95% of the time when u get heads up against one player when they have an underpair they get the set, however the overpair rarely hits the set.

2) In limit cash games, heads up or several players, the draw gets there almost everytime to crack big pockers.

3) When a short stack at a NL or fixed limit cash game is all-in, here comes the miracle card to keep the damn fish around for the rake.

4) Software keeps track of your style of play if you are tight and loose. Tight players get the big hand pre-flop or on flop and will get rivered by hyperaggressive player. If 2 hyperaggressive players are heads up, trash will flop trips only to be rivered by trashier flushes or straights.

5) When you are on your last orbit and you unclick the "post blind box" there crap software will give you QQ-AA utg+1 or +2 to set you up to lose a big pot so u will stick around to get it back or spew more chips.

6) In tournaments fold AK. Most of the time it misses but if you do flop the A or K someone will outdraw u if they get their chips in the middle. Time after time.

7) Middle of tournaments when time to make moves. Software realizes this and will give big hands to cutoff-button and bigger hands to the blinds.

8) Bubble time. Everyone is stalling for money, time to throw in the AA vs. KK BS to get things moving. Sucks if you have KK, sucks even worse when AA loses to trip kings.

9) Everytime u ask support to explain why certain patterns keep happening in certain situations over and over they keep giving you the "variance speech".

10) NO bad beat jackpot. How fast would this site go belly-up if they threw in additional cash to off-set their ridiculously bad beats.

     
  9-Feb-14, 10:47   #9
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Friday13Pol 
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 6
Hi Very Well Explain
Well Done Mate

     
  9-Feb-14, 11:16   #10
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misterace 
Joined: Feb '14
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1
its the same in there sitngos tourneys etc and 99% of the time the player is russian and they tell eachother what cards they have i reported it and pokerstars banned my chat for one monuth yep its fixed and thats why there is no bad beat jackpot on stars because they would lose money having to top it up every 5 minutes

     
  9-Feb-14, 11:36   #11
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uno1Bomber 

Joined: May '13
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 541
Posted by Calmplay:
...
1) In NL cash games, 95% of the time when u get heads up against one player when they have an underpair they get the set, however the overpair rarely hits the set.
...

95% ? Hmm..
Can you prove it?
Play 100 hands and count percentage.
Do not be unfounded.

     
  9-Feb-14, 12:10   #12
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hemuli 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Finland
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 220
Come on guys... seriously? SUCKOUTS SUCKOUTS SUCKOUTS... No offense to anyone but feels that you guys just don't play enough hands/tournaments.. If you are really thinking like this buy Holdem Manager or w/e else play even a decent amount of hands and then WOOW you will see the EV and its getting pretty close to your real profit with more hands... Feels like this site is sometimes only about conspiracy theories about online poker.. And I can say that my EV was pretty close to the real profit.. Its not like pokerstars really wants your 0.10d rake I think they have bigger thing to do, no? Smile

Guys I understand that sometimes it hurts and blah blah blah... But I dont see why everyone is complaining, if you did the right move then thats what it all counts! Just play more hands Smile and to be honest the hands that have been previously showed in this forum, they have been played quite strangely and I would say that its not +ev the way they played the hand.. But hey don't think im somehow underestimating someone just saying that the most important is to play +ev and to think what did happen in this hand Smile and please PLEEEAASSEEE freeroll is so different to money games so you cant really say that someone is a donk/fish just by a freeroll Smile
I tried my internet in egypt in the lowest limit to see how my poker is working I got right away someone who calls me a lucky fish.. In the higher limits they don't really do that, I played really just few hands and right away lucky fish, so I can imagine how many times people call other fishes...

Well hopefully this won't offend anyone Smile Thumbs Up Worship Agree Heart Heart

     
  9-Feb-14, 12:20   #13
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 2659
Yeah i agree with the poster above me. Suckout happens and you just remember the bad times. Just look back at the hands you played and you will see that you won some hands you should not have.
Deal with it. This is part of poker! And that's why recreational players are still around.

Cheers keep your chin up and hope lady luck on your side.

     
  9-Feb-14, 12:27   #14
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 679
Posted by Calmplay:
I have found an article on the net of about top 10 reasons why pokerstars is a joke, if you're a regular at this poker room you'll find some familiar things in this article...

1) In NL cash games, 95% of the time when u get heads up against one player when they have an underpair they get the set, however the overpair rarely hits the set.

2) In limit cash games, heads up or several players, the draw gets there almost everytime to crack big pockers.

3) When a short stack at a NL or fixed limit cash game is all-in, here comes the miracle card to keep the damn fish around for the rake.

4) Software keeps track of your style of play if you are tight and loose. Tight players get the big hand pre-flop or on flop and will get rivered by hyperaggressive player. If 2 hyperaggressive players are heads up, trash will flop trips only to be rivered by trashier flushes or straights.

5) When you are on your last orbit and you unclick the "post blind box" there crap software will give you QQ-AA utg+1 or +2 to set you up to lose a big pot so u will stick around to get it back or spew more chips.

6) In tournaments fold AK. Most of the time it misses but if you do flop the A or K someone will outdraw u if they get their chips in the middle. Time after time.

7) Middle of tournaments when time to make moves. Software realizes this and will give big hands to cutoff-button and bigger hands to the blinds.

8) Bubble time. Everyone is stalling for money, time to throw in the AA vs. KK BS to get things moving. Sucks if you have KK, sucks even worse when AA loses to trip kings.

9) Everytime u ask support to explain why certain patterns keep happening in certain situations over and over they keep giving you the "variance speech".

10) NO bad beat jackpot. How fast would this site go belly-up if they threw in additional cash to off-set their ridiculously bad beats.


I didnt find anything familiar. Its just classic "arguments" from bad players, who think that AA should be 100% win everytime and when they loose it has to be rigged, cause they had AA! Big Smile

Just finally realize that if you have AK vs A10 you will loose in ~25% of these situations, when you have AA vs 55 you will loose 20% hands...

So If you play a lot, you can get easily 20-30 times in this situations, so its normal that you will get 5-6 "suckouts" every day... sometimes more, sometimes less.

     
  9-Feb-14, 12:34   #15
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 6235
It is not Jokerstars fault, if you guys didn't click the checkbox for a winning account during the account creation process. Without that feature, the doomswitch will be upon you all.

     
  9-Feb-14, 12:44   #16
  0 
zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
Posted by Calmplay:
I have found an article on the net of about top 10 reasons why pokerstars is a joke, if you're a regular at this poker room you'll find some familiar things in this article...

1) In NL cash games, 95% of the time when u get heads up against one player when they have an underpair they get the set, however the overpair rarely hits the set.

2) In limit cash games, heads up or several players, the draw gets there almost everytime to crack big pockers.

3) When a short stack at a NL or fixed limit cash game is all-in, here comes the miracle card to keep the damn fish around for the rake.

4) Software keeps track of your style of play if you are tight and loose. Tight players get the big hand pre-flop or on flop and will get rivered by hyperaggressive player. If 2 hyperaggressive players are heads up, trash will flop trips only to be rivered by trashier flushes or straights.

5) When you are on your last orbit and you unclick the "post blind box" there crap software will give you QQ-AA utg+1 or +2 to set you up to lose a big pot so u will stick around to get it back or spew more chips.

6) In tournaments fold AK. Most of the time it misses but if you do flop the A or K someone will outdraw u if they get their chips in the middle. Time after time.

7) Middle of tournaments when time to make moves. Software realizes this and will give big hands to cutoff-button and bigger hands to the blinds.

8) Bubble time. Everyone is stalling for money, time to throw in the AA vs. KK BS to get things moving. Sucks if you have KK, sucks even worse when AA loses to trip kings.


Evidence or it's b******t.

     
  9-Feb-14, 13:11   #17
  0 
pokerstar20 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Hungary
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 26
It is usual in pokerstars.
Happened to me a lot of times and i was like what?
Omg There are loads of fishy players.
You can do nothing against them. They call all the time with everything and they beat you.
Wish better luck guys at the tables.

     
  9-Feb-14, 13:22   #18
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Theapple 

Joined: Sep '13
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 1552
it might sound like cliche already but you only remember your own bad beats, and not when you give someone else bad beat Smile

today i had all in with AQs vs AKo and i rivered him out, but ill probably forget about it tomorrow or even later today when something like that happens to me and ill curse at stars, or whatever. And what did i do when i won that allin vs AK, did i complain? Do YOU complain when you 'river' someone else? Do you come to forums saying omg this is rigged i just won $10 pot with worse hand, i rivered this guy out i want justice Big Smile

and its also true how in the long term, stronger hands wins but you need a larger sample to witness it firsthand (some more than others though, thats how probabilty works afterall), but if you play long enough, your wining hands will win most of the time, and your worse hands will lose more often than not.

One last thing, its true bad beats happen to better players most of the time, so if you are any good bad beats WILL happen to you. Its natural its gonna happen more often to you when you are in allin situation vs someone who shoves with 49o on AK9 board and beats your AK on turn/river, because you got ur money in and you were a clear fav.

And as long as you keep doing that, youll be a winning player and in the long run 9 out of 10 times, the other guy wont hit his miracle car and youll get his money. afterall sometimes they gotta win too, if not they would simply stop playing and you dont want that to happen, do you Big Smile

     
  9-Feb-14, 13:24   #19
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Nastasha1982 
Joined: Oct '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 175
This is really easy. If you're losing when getting it in good, start getting it in bad. Big Smile

     
  9-Feb-14, 20:02   #20
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3698
I don't know why some of you guys are hitting hard on me, it's just a random article I found online and it's not me who is the original writer of it so why are you asking me for proof, evidence etc... I only posted it here because I thought it would be interesting in this thread and that it would bring life to it which it did BTW Big Smile

     
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