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  17-Feb-14, 22:56   #1
Dommelen1990 Bankroll challenge 0 
dommelen1990 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 83
Thanks for looking in this topic,

first let me introduce myself a bit.

im a 23 year old male from the netherlands,
i would consider myself as a decent pokerplayer with a lack of bankrollmanagment,
in the past i lost quiet a few bucks because of playing above my stakes and without a decent bankrollmanagment,

through this way i will try to increase my bankroll on the right way,

at this moment i got a bankroll of $14,73 and im playing in the hot turbo $0,55 with around an average stack,

i want to become a cashplayer with sometimes a tourney which suits my bankroll. so my main focus would be the low stakes cashgames.

with only a small roll i need to be on risk at first so i hope i wont go broke on the beginning

the rules:
- i will have to have at least 20 buy ins to move up to the next stake (so $100 will be for 0,02/0,05)
- once i dropped down until 15 buy ins i will move a stake down (so $75 will be back to 0,01/0,02
- in the beginning i will buy in with $1 a table and leave the table once it reaches $3 unless i got a big edge on those players
- i only play 6 max since this is my favourite game
- i only play tournament which are affordable

in the beginning it will be hard to follow the exact guidelines since my roll is to low to completly follow these rolls

i will post some keyhands during the time and hope i can get some feedback on those on how i played them to get some other opinions about my game.

i hope people are interested in this and ill keep placing updates when i feel like it Smile

hope to see you at the tables


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ok had my first session from around 2 hours
i think i did pretty wel,
made a bit of money and playing a good game.
lots of position play and some nice bluffs
had quite a good read about my oppenents and earned $1,19

it doesnt sound that much but its a nice 8% of my bankroll increase Dollar

had 1 special hand which i was kinda unsure what to do let me explain the situation

player 5 was raising every hand just like player 2
i had position thats why i made the call and if i would flop a set i would surely earn of it
on the flop i decided to bet because if someone had a flushdraw he needs to pay for
the turn is the best card in the deck for me since it gave me my fullhouse i decided to check there to get more value out of it since he would almost bet every river there was
then the river a 6 again (worst card in the deck as so the j) and he bets out.

should i have called this?
since a j also got me beat now and he suddenly made this move

what would you do in this situation?







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http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/7538010_6...

Edited by dommelen1990 (Tuesday, February 18, 2014 @ 01:36 GMT)


     
  18-Feb-14, 02:46   #2
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1568
Greetings Dommelen,

Welcome to the forums. Sounds like you'r off to a great start, you've identified the best way to build. It will be tough to keep true at low stakes, always temptation to go higher, lol.

I reviewed your hand. I probably woud've just went all in on the flop there. With the 56s it's pretty drawy and you had 2 flat callers preflop. Your stack was reasonably low compared to the others so if they did have a pair they'd probably be tempted to call and you are the favourite over draws so all the better if they call. It's low stakes so you're going to get more chasers. The allin either pushes then off draws winning you the end or gets your money in as the favourite, even better.

That said, if you committed to playing the 5's I'd have also considered allin preflop there. 55 you definitely don't want to play against 2 players. At least then you got a bit of fold equity and a coin flip likely if called.

Any one else's thoughts?

     
  18-Feb-14, 09:56   #3
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 5529
Anytime you can make a profit it has been a good session of poker no matter what the amount. I look forward to reading your updates because i find these sort of things fascinating and wish you all the best in your venture

     
  18-Feb-14, 10:25   #4
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
Posts: 913
Really weird strategy.

1.
Buying in short stacked, usually not good at micro limits if you are a good player, since you will be able to extract more value from your good hands, you will also have more room for 3-betting and 4-betting.

2.
Leaving a table where you are up money. Why? If there are people who want to give you their money, you should stay.

3.
If you aren´t that experienced player, you should have a bigger bankroll (40 full stack buy-in´s for a given limit)

     
  18-Feb-14, 14:17   #5
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
How many tables do you play at the time? From the way I read it, it looks like you play 1 table at the time. If that's the case, don't make the $1.16 you made in profit sound like a low amount, because longterm you'll earn alot less than that in 2 hours. Good players earn a maximum of about 15BB/100 hands at that limit longterm, often less.

As for the hand you posted, this is a fold preflop witht hat stack. If you had a bigger stack (maybe $1.40 or so) I'd agree with the call preflop. A good rule of thumb is only setmine if the call is for less than 6-7% of your stack.
I don't understand the check on the turn. You should bet to get more value here,there are lots of draws out there. What were your thoughts there?

     
  19-Feb-14, 21:52   #6
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dommelen1990 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 83
well after i read youre replies i will deposit my stack to around 50 dollar and start with 10 full buy ins on the 0,01/0,02

i play 4 tables at the same time because more i cant stay focused on who are the less skilled players and who are the good ones.

about the check on the turn,
i thought if i would check he would surely bet on every river only didnt expected to see a 6 on it

also on the 2 hour duration on 1 table i had some luck while picking aces and the other had kings, i retought about this and if i bought in for more then 1 dollar i still had doubled no matter what.
then my profit would be alot more on the total since i didnt really lost an all-in only won those like 90% of the time


     
  19-Feb-14, 22:21   #7
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Theapple 

Joined: Sep '13
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 1552
Posted by dommelen1990:
i play 4 tables at the same time because more i cant stay focused on who are the less skilled players and who are the good ones.

thats what labels are for. Dont be afraid to use them, it makes your life much easier Smile

you should make a different labels for
reg, lag, nit, supernit, maniac, fish, donk, uberdonk (my newest category, added just because im playing in pso league, so i need a way to differentiate 'normal' donks from league donks, as they are on totally different level Tongue).

Also you should occasionally review your hands played for that session. Not saying you have to do ti every single time (wouldnt hurt eitherl) but at least some session review could come in handy. Youd be surrpsies how many (your own, not just other players) bad plays you can spot once youre relaxed, and under no pressure to make a right call. Its a totally different perspective really.

a few days ago i was reviewing my own session, and in the end i was trying to label myself as a donk, i thought i played that badly, but really didnt notice that many leaks while playing, until i was done with it. While i was somewhat aware of me going a bit on the tilty side, after losing AQ on AQ6 flop, vs J6 shove (he caught J6 postflop...), i had no idea i was doing that badly. Until my session rewind Tongue

It really does help, even if its just you doing it (ideally, ud get a pro to do it for you but not all of us can afford it so... Big Smile).

cheers, hope i was of some help here Big Smile Im aware most people here already know most of this stuff i mentioned in this... well, quite long post, so for all i know you might be crushing, but thought it could be useful to other people too (some people new to poker maybe? Tongue), so maybe it was worth a mention Tongue

     
  20-Feb-14, 15:17   #8
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dommelen1990 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 83
never reviewed my hands in the past but doing it now every session
ofc not every hand but ill copy paste those to word for afterwards and review them (winning and losing hands ofc)

i played like 1,5 hour today and won 2,5 buy-ins
so pretty nice to be honest.
made 1 big mistake by calling an overbet with just top pair because i wasnt focused enough anymore.

also made a pretty nice laydown imo
4 players call preflop
i got AKs and ofc make a big raise
1 of the callers pushes all in and the other snapcalls

i folded and they both tried to slowplay aa and kk xD

so i was doomed if i had called

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ok ended another session today also played 1 tournament (the big 11)
because of my bankroll i couldnt buy in directly but tried a satelite and ended with the first 2 to get a ticket
i finished in the money so gained a nice bonus on my bankroll
with this bankrollmanagment i raised my bankroll today from $50 to $72,55
so a nice 4,5 buy ins on the $0,01/0,02 cashgames

what i dislike on the pokerstars site is the limits 0,02/0,05 is also deepstack (buy in 12,50)
so i have to get my bankroll up first to around $200 which will ofcourse take some while
and then at the same time i could get on the 0,05/0,10 limits since they are 100bb max.

also have a interesting hand from my session

i think i played it the right way only maybe preflop i got a little scared since we were pretty close to the money

i know you should always try to win a tournament but somehow my mindset went to first reach the cash which isnt the good way.
couldnt get it off and played to tight i suppose which could have got me further in the tournament.

should i have raised/ shoved preflopp?
and the river check was that a good check?
since i thought he wouldnt call a 3rd bet with a pair of kings and every ace-x should be a splitpot as long as he didnt hit a better pairt then the 5's
so if i would bet i would get on max a splitpot (in this case i lost so i was happy i didnt bet the river since he would have shoved)

http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/7585503_E...

Edited by dommelen1990 (Thursday, February 20, 2014 @ 22:36 GMT)


     
  21-Feb-14, 02:39   #9
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MFZERO 
Joined: Oct '12
Location: Canada
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 129
Posted by dommelen1990:
never reviewed my hands in the past but doing it now every session
ofc not every hand but ill copy paste those to word for afterwards and review them (winning and losing hands ofc)

i played like 1,5 hour today and won 2,5 buy-ins
so pretty nice to be honest.
made 1 big mistake by calling an overbet with just top pair because i wasnt focused enough anymore.

also made a pretty nice laydown imo
4 players call preflop
i got AKs and ofc make a big raise
1 of the callers pushes all in and the other snapcalls

i folded and they both tried to slowplay aa and kk xD

so i was doomed if i had called

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ok ended another session today also played 1 tournament (the big 11)
because of my bankroll i couldnt buy in directly but tried a satelite and ended with the first 2 to get a ticket
i finished in the money so gained a nice bonus on my bankroll
with this bankrollmanagment i raised my bankroll today from $50 to $72,55
so a nice 4,5 buy ins on the $0,01/0,02 cashgames

what i dislike on the pokerstars site is the limits 0,02/0,05 is also deepstack (buy in 12,50)
so i have to get my bankroll up first to around $200 which will ofcourse take some while
and then at the same time i could get on the 0,05/0,10 limits since they are 100bb max.

also have a interesting hand from my session

i think i played it the right way only maybe preflop i got a little scared since we were pretty close to the money

i know you should always try to win a tournament but somehow my mindset went to first reach the cash which isnt the good way.
couldnt get it off and played to tight i suppose which could have got me further in the tournament.

should i have raised/ shoved preflopp?
and the river check was that a good check?
since i thought he wouldnt call a 3rd bet with a pair of kings and every ace-x should be a splitpot as long as he didnt hit a better pairt then the 5's
so if i would bet i would get on max a splitpot (in this case i lost so i was happy i didnt bet the river since he would have shoved)

http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/7585503_E...

I know its a matter of playing style, whenever I have a weak Ace and hit an ace on the flop, I'll min. bet and if he calls I'll check it the rest of the way.

     
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