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[QUOTE]Posted by doomdy: This thread going hilarious QUOTE]
Yes,...certainly is hilarious,...
I wonder how many of these people are all about the math,...then the math goes right out the window at the bubble when the math tells you it's a slim chance...
It's seems to be more about egotistical, sociological, or even psychopathic behaviour at this point...
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Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
chickens like you.
Chicken....? Not chicken,....just not doing something STUPID...
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Posted by hooley99: I don't care if it's a $1 or a $100 dollar buy-in. No way am I folding AA or KK pre-flop bubble or no bubble. Yes, you will bust some of the time, but when you win, you will put yourself in contention for a spot at the final table, where the big money is.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have 4 small cashes or 1 cash in the top 3?
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Posted by damosk:
You automatically assume all you will get is a min cash... Why would you assume that....? That sounds more like a losing attitude to me... You're saying once in, there's no chance to go any further...lol...
I would RATHER have 4 chances at going deep than getting clobbered at the bubble 80% of the time...
The only time I'm shoving at the bubble is if I am big stacked,...and big enough to take a loss and survive.
There's NOTHING more satisfying than clobbering some bubble bonehead who's trying to steal the hand at the bubble,....especially when they had junk in their pocket,...then they start calling YOU names because you knocked them out...
Anyhow,... ZERO, was the title of your thread a statement, or a question...? Either way,...when one repeatedly get whacked at the bubble, the result is a self evident...
An expression of anger and disappointment. How many times have I complained about getting knocked at the bubble? How many tournaments have you actually bought into? All I ever see from you is Freeroll results, where donks will call All-in with trash against monster hands because they don't care and tilt you as much as possible.
Didn't think this thread would escalate to this much discussion.
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There is some good advice in this thread, but also some unneccesary nastiness....
BankrollMob is supposed to be about helping people improve - not about ridiculing people.
It is true that you shouldn't tighten up on the bubble though, I've read in more than one place "On the whole, the most profitable style of play (loose/tight) will be the one most opposed to the rest of the players on the table"
So at the bubble where people will naturally tighten up, the best style of play will be to be more aggresive. This is really obvious when you think of it. When people tighten up, their calling range will shrink. When their calling range shrinks, they will fold more hands... and therefore you can raise more marginal hands and be able to take down more pots. At the start of a tourney when people are playing loose, the best strategy is to tighten up and only play premium hands. If you play lots of marginal hands, you'll get caught by someone else playing a marginal hand and catching a little bit more of the board than you.
Your chances of cashing big are almost nil if you are too timid as the money approaches.
Two important stats in poker are ITM and ROI (in the money percentage and return on investment)... obviously the higher the better on both, but you need to balance the two. If your ITM is over 30% and ROI is under 100%, chances are you are being too timid near the bubble and if you were to loosen up, your ITM would drop (as you would be getting knocked out more) but your ROI would rise (as you average cashes would be higher).
Huge amounts of cash are won and lost on the bubble. If you only improve one area of your game. Improve your bubble play.
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Posted by MFZERO:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
chickens like you.
Chicken....? Not chicken,....just not doing something STUPID...
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Posted by hooley99: I don't care if it's a $1 or a $100 dollar buy-in. No way am I folding AA or KK pre-flop bubble or no bubble. Yes, you will bust some of the time, but when you win, you will put yourself in contention for a spot at the final table, where the big money is.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have 4 small cashes or 1 cash in the top 3?
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Posted by damosk:
You automatically assume all you will get is a min cash... Why would you assume that....? That sounds more like a losing attitude to me... You're saying once in, there's no chance to go any further...lol...
I would RATHER have 4 chances at going deep than getting clobbered at the bubble 80% of the time...
The only time I'm shoving at the bubble is if I am big stacked,...and big enough to take a loss and survive.
There's NOTHING more satisfying than clobbering some bubble bonehead who's trying to steal the hand at the bubble,....especially when they had junk in their pocket,...then they start calling YOU names because you knocked them out...
Anyhow,... ZERO, was the title of your thread a statement, or a question...? Either way,...when one repeatedly get whacked at the bubble, the result is a self evident...
How many tournaments have you actually bought into?
I have bought into 100s and 100s or maybe 1000s or more up until about Christmas...
Playing ALL of them simultaneously and overlapping , my 'DAILY' poker schedule on PS until then was:
4:00pm 0.10c $50 Added
5:00pm $2.75 4K
5:30pm The Big $4.40
6:00pm $1.10 2.5K
8:30pm The Big $2.20
10:00pm 0.25c $100 Added
PLUS Occassionally
9:00am The Big $5.50 20K
11:00am The Big $8.80
2:00pm The Big $11.00
8:00pm The Big $27.50
Sunday Storm
Bigger $11 on Sunday
PLUS 7 of the 8 BrM Freerolls on PokerStars...
So in answer to your question....
PLENTY of buy ins DAILY for a few years...
...not so many buys in now...
...mostly FT and PP BrM freerolls because they are fairly decent tourneys... I play them because I like leaderboard play..
...AND.... last but not least 7 of the 8:
demodawggy's PokerStars/BankrollMob Daily All In Shootout Donk Festival
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Posted by yout85: There is some good advice in this thread, but also some unneccesary nastiness....
BankrollMob is supposed to be about helping people improve - not about ridiculing people.
In my mind, poker isn't JUST 100% all about the destination, being an outright win or as much cash as you can win,....but ALSO about playing the game and enjoying yourself along the way....!
That being said,... I agree with your statement... I don't call folks names or ridicule them first,...but when somebody tries to do that to me,...I AIN'T backing down and WILL respond in likewise..
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Posted by demodawggy: [QUOTE]Posted by doomdy: This thread going hilarious QUOTE]
Yes,...certainly is hilarious,...
I wonder how many of these people are all about the math,...then the math goes right out the window at the bubble when the math tells you it's a slim chance...
It's seems to be more about egotistical, sociological, or even psychopathic behaviour at this point...
Where is a 'KooKoo' emoticon when you need one...
I am so intrested in your sharkscope Can you please add a pic here I also can put mine if you want
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Posted by MFZERO:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
chickens like you.
Chicken....? Not chicken,....just not doing something STUPID...
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Posted by hooley99: I don't care if it's a $1 or a $100 dollar buy-in. No way am I folding AA or KK pre-flop bubble or no bubble. Yes, you will bust some of the time, but when you win, you will put yourself in contention for a spot at the final table, where the big money is.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have 4 small cashes or 1 cash in the top 3?
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Posted by damosk:
You automatically assume all you will get is a min cash... Why would you assume that....? That sounds more like a losing attitude to me... You're saying once in, there's no chance to go any further...lol...
I would RATHER have 4 chances at going deep than getting clobbered at the bubble 80% of the time...
The only time I'm shoving at the bubble is if I am big stacked,...and big enough to take a loss and survive.
There's NOTHING more satisfying than clobbering some bubble bonehead who's trying to steal the hand at the bubble,....especially when they had junk in their pocket,...then they start calling YOU names because you knocked them out...
Anyhow,... ZERO, was the title of your thread a statement, or a question...? Either way,...when one repeatedly get whacked at the bubble, the result is a self evident...
How many times have I complained about getting knocked at the bubble?
All I ever see from you is Freeroll results, where donks will call All-in with trash against monster hands because they don't care and tilt you as much as possible.
Q: How many times have I complained about getting knocked at the bubble?
A: Go back up and read what I said about that...
"All I ever see from you is Freeroll results, where donks will call All-in with trash against monster hands because they don't care and tilt you as much as possible."
Pretty hard to tilt me...!
I started those PP freerolls 8 or 9 days after the start, and have missed 6 or so games since. Must be doing something right to go from not even on the board to 15th position in the money in less than 8 days of play
....and might I add, without ANY of the marital aids like sharkscope or any other online gizmos that can help losers get ahead.... Not implying that you are a loser....or use those types of software...
Let's clarify something ZERO,.... I wasn't and am NOT attacking you in any way whatsoever...
You are doing good, because the buy-in is 0$ and you play a lot of tournaments. With a better bubble strategy I think you would see a nice improvement in your profits.
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Posted by IceQueenAce: demodawggy
Looked you up
average profit on: full tilt �0.01 over 886 games party �0.09 over 66 games
I would suggest your bubble strat is somewhat flawed
All I play on those 2 sites are the BrM freerolls....
On FT I used up my promo tics and maybe bought into a few .50c games in the beginning... Have cashed in the top 30 on the leaderboard.... Have always made the leaderboard...Only interested in the leaderboard.... Play no other kinds of games...
On PP, same thing...but is also a far too risky site to invest any money in...
The only thing that interests me on those 2 sites is the BrM leaderboards,....which I've done very well in...
Stats Schmats.... they mean nothing to me. The only thing that matters to me is cashing on the leaderboards,...which those stats don't accurately reflect....
0 to 15th on PP leaderboard in a week is all that matters to me...
Currently 70th on FT leaderboard. Although not satisfactory,...is better than 200th. Still lots of time to get into the money.
As far as those sites that track your progress,... I've seen a few... Seems I've done fairly well playing cash tourneys on PokerStars...
I returned my winnings to my bank before Christmas.... with which I bought myself a Samsung 39" HD (1060 pixels) Flat Screen TV and had a pocket full of cash to spend on Christmas...
I've done well for myself thank you....
By the way.... I have NEVER sent so much as 1 cent from my bank or card or anything to any poker sites....
It all came from snowballing a few bucks into much cash....!
My bankroll currently sits at about $80 after emptying all my money out back to my bank...!
Not much flawed with my medium tight play.... but there is always room for improvement...
Thanks to BrM and SOME of the folks here,...I've learned quite a bit about poker....!
I know it may be a little late to reply to the initial post, but I can NOT believe that. I've finished a place out from making money. (Freeroll, few cents, who cares) But I did it to myself. You my friend got ROBBED! I hope you've been on the other end since then. Also, hope nobody minds,(I've been saying that a lot lately.) but what exactly do you mean by bubble? EDIT: So the bubble means the game is sucking cash from you giving good hands that amount to nothing? Also TNSTNS, replying to one of your earlier comments. Personally I try to place in the money and don't worry so much about the tourney win being a newb. I'm trying to gain experience and survive, not so much go for gold. I think there are other players like me, atleast off the start. Just a thought. If I am going about it all wrong I'd like to hear that please. Learning, learning, learning at the moment.
Take care, and good luck out there folks!
Edited by MatthewMaze (27 February 2014 @ 21:59 GMT)
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i would like to add at this point that i consder doomdy to be one of the best players to post on this forum and feel his advice is golden and you should all listen to him.
on the point of the thread i would have to say that near the bubble if you get a good hand then pplay it ffs. i personally would happily sacrifice a few min cashes to make a final table as the tournament chip leader.
generally i find its better to come first once that min cash 50 times.
------------ you see the difference is this doomdy posts about his success at poker, impressive ROI and his non poker achievement's made with his poker winnings which are all very respectable. where as demodawwgy posts about bingo cockroaches in the BRM freerolls, now you see the difference there. Some people really should listen to good advice, hell your getting it for free ffs.
------------ also i dont think anyone has pointed out yet that there is one situation where folding aces on the bubble pre flop is the correct play, if you are safe to make the money and ALL REMAINING PRIZES HAVE THE SAME VALUE for example in a satalite tourney. i repeat strongly THIS IS THE ONLY TIME YOU FOLD ACES PRE FLOP EVER.
Edited by takingdrugs (28 February 2014 @ 16:16 GMT)
I feel I must point out something about the unusual structure of these Party Poker freerolls, that changes things a little:
Usually the top 90 or 72 are paid places; 1st place is like $4 and last place is about $0.20, with place 14 only paying a few cents more than last paid place. So with the exception of the final table, this payout structure is almost like a satellite (with all prizes being of (roughly) equal value)...
When you are short stacked approaching the bubble, it is not as bad folding a wider range, just to make ITM.
Demo has a huge ITM% on these PP freerolls (judging from what I've seen). There a 6 freerolls per day, and if you manage to min-cash most of them, you can average about $1 per day for the leaderboard. We are now 17 days into the leaderboard, which would give you 5th place.
Demo started way late and is already up to $11 in 16th place. I'd say his strategy is working pretty good, considering his ultra tight playing style (although I realize this is anecdotal evidence).
That being said, in MTTs with a normal payout structure, this strategy would be very bad, as mentioned be several esteemed Mobsters.
I also would like to comment on the idea that being short stacked after the bubble will not prevent you to make the final table; while this is, strictly speaking, true, it is a matter of how great your chances are of going deep. The simple truth is that if you need to double up 3 times just to make an average stack, you'd be roughly 8 times less likely to do well compared to an average stack.
This is why it is only a good idea to hold out for the bubble when all prizes are equal, or close to that.
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Posted by marqis: I feel I must point out something about the unusual structure of these Party Poker freerolls, that changes things a little:
Usually the top 90 or 72 are paid places; 1st place is like $4 and last place is about $0.20, with place 14 only paying a few cents more than last paid place. So with the exception of the final table, this payout structure is almost like a satellite (with all prizes being of (roughly) equal value)...
ok i didnt realize that i apologise for harshness of my previous comment and bow my head in shame
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Posted by Phisix:
Taking drugs,...and marqiss,.... It's refreshing to see somebody input some reasonable comments without the 'Group-Think' snickering and sneering....
Yes,...tourney play is different....and in my mind requires a different tact....
Without singling anybody out and having in mind any number of random players at the bubble,...I just find it amusing and entertaining when the 2 seater Clown Car empties out 5 or 6 players at that point.
I WILL play a medium or strong hand at the bubble and see it through,...but pretty much only if I'm the big stacker....
Now just to blow all your minds...... Just sitting at the PP/BrM tourney avec Monsieur Pinotte,....slowed played AA at the Bubble and won the hand.... ...but then again,....my buddies always know I am an unconventional kinda guy....lol...
Kinda like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips....
Edited by demodawggy (28 February 2014 @ 21:40 GMT)
