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At the beginning of the promotion of Bankroll Mob at PartyPoker i wanted to try your luck and play .On first tournament I've earned 20 cents tournament dollars and then it started , I played sit -go and easily build a bankroll , after cash forstward , and after two to three day earn over $ 200 , at that time I had two final table and all somehow seemed to be it , then one day i play on tournament and in bubble time happened to me that software just frozen and I could not do anything over half hour, in Meanwhile, I dropped out , I contacted support and explained the situation , and by the way I asked how they can withdraw the money and then started.bad beat, bad beatbad beat , whatever I played , I lost and I begin doubt of credibility of this site . I feel like I've forgotten play poker in the meantime, play and see that something is wrong and I feel helpless and begins to play tight because I'm afraid of bad beats.Is this what they call a down swing and how to fight with this.Its not the first time,same things happend to me on several sites and i really hope this not happend here and thinking myself finnaly i find fair site.I really work hard and study game,refuse to deposit,because all people who i know says its scam and i want prove to them its not rigged and they dont need deposit to make something in poker,only study,playing and work hard,but after this episode i start doubt on all this.Its started be like slot machines.ps:sorry for my weak English, I hope you understand what I meant to say.Thanks
If you are able to turn $0.20 into $200 within 3 days, maybe the way you play is at fault.
It seems to me that you would need to play very loose with very bad bankroll management to achieve that (and be very lucky). Even though you started with a great upswing, you'll most likely lose it all again, playing like that.
Maybe that is what happened here?
It really sucks that a software issue caused you to be knocked out of an MTT. I hope support compensated you for that at least...
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No i have 2 FT,so i earn on one 86 dol on other 60-70 dol,i consider myself aggressive,but you cant be aggro after all this bad beats,playing AK on flop came AA4,villain OP play all inn,show A9 and on river came 9,and this is only one example,after few hands like that i play again tight and careful.I understand what you want say and still Dont think deposit anywhere,after few bad beats i simple shut down computer and withdraw money
One word: variance. It is a b1tch. You definitely shouldn´t stop playing with a profitable strategy just because you take some bad beats. They will always happen.
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If you would have done the "study" part that you mentioned, you would understand where this is coming from. You're taking poker as a game of the shortterm, when doing that, then yes, what you describe as "like a slot machine", which is what poker probably really is for you. Building a BR like this, without bankroll management, poker is becomes a game of pretty much pure chance, with very little impact of skill. Building a $200 roll from $0.20 within 2 days can't be accomplished without great luck. It's obvious you will get the negative side of variance not long after, and this is what happened. A smarter move would have been to maybe cash $100 out from your $200 BR and start over with a decent $100 roll. You could have played microstakes very comfortably with that roll.
By the way, what you described (getting a "downswing" after you asked how to cashout) is not the case. A pokersite makes its money from rake, not from deposits. They aren't losing any money by payout out withdrawals. The money you lost to someone else and thus can't withdrawal yourself, is money someone else will cash out sooner or later anyways.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
By the way, what you described (getting a "downswing" after you asked how to cashout) is not the case. A pokersite makes its money from rake, not from deposits. They aren't losing any money by payout out withdrawals. The money you lost to someone else and thus can't withdrawal yourself, is money someone else will cash out sooner or later anyways.
Well I little bit disagree with this.. Not the rigged downswing s**t. but that pokersite losing money if u withdraw.. If u think that more money=more rake. Longer the dollars stays in the pokersite the smaller it gets in time after rake eating it slowly and thats exactly what the pokersites wants that u dont withdraw so that they get more money even they dont lose money by withdrawing directly but they still kinda lose. Hopefully someone understood something
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Posted by TNSTNS:
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
By the way, what you described (getting a "downswing" after you asked how to cashout) is not the case. A pokersite makes its money from rake, not from deposits. They aren't losing any money by payout out withdrawals. The money you lost to someone else and thus can't withdrawal yourself, is money someone else will cash out sooner or later anyways.
Well I little bit disagree with this.. Not the rigged downswing s**t. but that pokersite losing money if u withdraw.. If u think that more money=more rake. Longer the dollars stays in the pokersite the smaller it gets in time after rake eating it slowly and thats exactly what the pokersites wants that u dont withdraw so that they get more money even they dont lose money by withdrawing directly but they still kinda lose. Hopefully someone understood something
I do understand what you mean and you are totally right However I wouldn't agree with any statement that they are rigging the games for someone because that person wants to withdrawal, there is no real gain in it because (with the rake amount you mentioned decreased) any play is just moving money around.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by TNSTNS:
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
By the way, what you described (getting a "downswing" after you asked how to cashout) is not the case. A pokersite makes its money from rake, not from deposits. They aren't losing any money by payout out withdrawals. The money you lost to someone else and thus can't withdrawal yourself, is money someone else will cash out sooner or later anyways.
Well I little bit disagree with this.. Not the rigged downswing s**t. but that pokersite losing money if u withdraw.. If u think that more money=more rake. Longer the dollars stays in the pokersite the smaller it gets in time after rake eating it slowly and thats exactly what the pokersites wants that u dont withdraw so that they get more money even they dont lose money by withdrawing directly but they still kinda lose. Hopefully someone understood something
I do understand what you mean and you are totally right However I wouldn't agree with any statement that they are rigging the games for someone because that person wants to withdrawal, there is no real gain in it because (with the rake amount you mentioned decreased) any play is just moving money around.
This was maybe little bit too much of thinking and maybe little bit out of the topic but good that at least u understood I never tought either that poker is rigged and just makes me when people is saying that..
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I agree with you guys,dont want think poker sites are rigged,its about variance,simply i must slow down and just play micro stakes tournaments,after few days when i see its back in normal return on cash tables and play my game...my mistake
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Posted by pelinimed: I agree with you guys,dont want think poker sites are rigged,its about variance,simply i must slow down and just play micro stakes tournaments,after few days when i see its back in normal return on cash tables and play my game...my mistake
No the statement "after a few days" is false. You should just follow the standard bankroll guidelines, no matter how you are running at that time. Don't determine your stakes by your current luck, determine it by the funds you have in your account. Following basic bankroll guidelines will minimize your risk of going broke, and will assure you WILL make money sooner or later, if you are a profitable player. However, without basic guidelines even the best players will go busto sooner or later.
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Good advice,dont know why?but always avoid this section on school,think im greed to make money faster,so i have trouble later.Im must admit probably i play higher limit than bankroll allow me.Playing fast forward nl 25,if i stay on nl4 probably dont lose to much,so im back again on nl4 and make money easy and slow build my bankroll
and thats exactly what the pokersites wants that u dont withdraw so that they get more money 
However I wouldn't agree with any statement that they are rigging the games for someone because that person wants to withdrawal, there is no real gain in it because (with the rake amount you mentioned decreased) any play is just moving money around. 
I never tought either that 
when people is saying that..
