Posted by hmidou: I need cash but I can't withdraw my pokerstars money before 48 hours and it will take me more time to have the transfer reach my account. I am ready to transfer $215 to anyone's account provided one makes me a rapid transfer of $175. I have just won a tourney and terribly need some cash. Thank you.
@Peter: You lost your nerve, understandably so, because it's a lot of money. Even when the money is in your bank account, you may still not be safe, in that pokerstars could try to revert the transaction, if something turns out to be dodgy. Since you've not met the terms of the agreement as stated in the first posting, you might as well simply undo the whole transaction, by transferring it back to his pokerstars account; that way you most likely won't get into trouble if pokerstars decides something is wrong with the transaction... Just my $0.02...
B.t.w. I never believed there was any malice on your part. The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
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Posted by Peter7878:
Posted by magatt966: I personally suggest to people going to involve into this transactions to be careful. You could receive PS money from a stolen account or from a collluder or cheater account and then you might have your account banned/closed and all your money in it seized.
Not sayint it IS the case but it's a possibility.
So consider your are taking this risk for $40: is it worth it?
Sorry hmidou nothing personal with you: I'm just sharing my opinion with the community.
Hello Mobsters,
Here is my report about this situation:
Yes, I thought the same as magatt. I was very scared about if this is a stolen money or something is wrong. That is why I waited the email of PokerStars that the cahout is successful. When I received that the email confirming that the cashout is successful, I realised that this guy actually won his money honestly. But I was suspitious. I wanted proof. I though, if something goes wrong PokerStars can ban my account. Thank God everything is fine.
He sent me $215 yesterday, he told me to play 10 minutes and then cashout $175. I played Zoom (240 hands) for 10 minutes and made $20 profit and made 50 points. Then I cashout $175. I received an email from Pokerstars that they are working on my cashout. Oh God I was really very nervious, because I waited the second PokerStars email confirming that the cashout is successful. That second email, confirming the successful cashout I received 5:00 p.m EET.
OMG, dude I am not a thief! I would never permit to play with someone's else money. It is against my own rules. Now I am waiting the money to arrive to my VISA card and when it comes to my VISA card I will send you the money immediately via Western Union! Yes, it is true I told you I will give you from my own money, but please understand me, I was suspicious. I thought and I was scared to death that I will not be allowed to cashout the money because of breaking the PokerStars T&C. So, I waited the second PokerStars email confirming that everything is fine. I am happy that you allowed me to play 10 minutes before cashout, this was very important, because if I didn't play the cashout would be rejected. So, I made a profit + 50 points and this is important for the successful cashout as well.
Thanks to all your support guys. Thanks to magatt, demo and all others, but I must confess I did a risky operation for $40 because I don't know this guy and I thought that my PokerStars account could be banned if the money are not won by honest way.
Because here at his profile it is shown that he is from Switzerland, but I have to send the money in France. Ok, now he lives in France. Nothing suspicious. But I know the phone code of France is +33 and he gave me a number which is not starting with the french code, so as demo said, one red flag appeared in my head and I wanted to see that money will come in by VISA card and then give it back to him.
The conclusion is that guy seems to be a nice guy, but...... I don't know how to say it. He has addicted problems (he lost a lot of money at the casino) and he really needs some help.
So, hmidou don' worry mate when I get the money in my VISA card I will enter in skype or call you to give you the Western Union code. This could be today or tommorow. I hope saturday and sunday is not a problem for VISA when waiting money?
Now I will take a shower and I will go to the ATM machine to see if the money is in my card, if I receive it, I will send it immediately, via Western Union.
At the end, that guy needs all our support to overcome his addicted habbits, and if we can help one person, we help the whole planet!
Best Regards,
Peter7878
Why do you have to lie to justify yourself???? I told you I terribly needed the money to pay my hotel and you said you would send it to me before cashing the transfer. I had to get stuck in the hotel room the whole day because you lied to me I had to borrow money from remote people to pay my three nights in the hotel you liar. You said you had the money and that you were going to western union to send me my money, I trusted you and you just have no penny to give me anything because you are broke and you are a manipulator. If you were suspicious as you pretend, why did you take my money from me?? Why didn't you just warn people against me as other jerks did?? And now you are calling me addicted?? Who is addicted here, to the point to use people's money to play poker? You are a liar, and a thief until further notice, with all stupid excuses you are advancing. If you were honest, you would have explained everything to me on skype when ou were urging me to send me the money, you even sent me SMS messages to tell me to hurry up. You were suspicious... my a.s.s! I even offered to you to keep 20 dollars to play with if the transfer was unsuccessful. And it is you who said you wanted to play Zoom before cashing out the money. Stop lying you thief and dishonest man, you are just fooling everybody around here. If you are a man, send me my money today without delay, otherwise just keep it for your sons and grandsons to know what kind of cheater you are. no matter how many thousands posts you produced for humanity...
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: Peter, I think what you did here is pretty idiotic acting, no offence. The person receiving offered a decent fee,of course there is a risk to be taken,but if you don't trust it then just don't agree to trading. Instead you freeroll the $40 fee you've been offerred. In my oppinion yoi should give him the full $215 back because IMO you didn't fullfil your part of the transaction correctly,or at least it didn't help him at all.
Now about hmidou,that transactiin history looks very fishy to me, why multiple small deposits through various methodes? And for the 48h cashout block,you could have asked pokerstars to make an acception,I'm sure they do it, I myself have no cashout block anymore (if I deposit via paysafecard I can immediatly cash out to skrill).
Btw,the cash out having gone through does not prove everything is alright, sometimes pokerstars needs a few days to verify deposits,and if it indeed was a deposit that deserves "red flag" they can credit your balance with a minus,to be balanced with a deposit.
"why multiple small deposits through various methodes?" are you serious about this question??? do u expect me to detail to you my financial situation for an answer???? what is fishy in losing times and times again and depositing times and times again to try to recover your loss? and when you do, a thief like peter feeds on your weakness. Lucky you to be paid less than 48h after deposit, every player on poker stars will tell you you are making up things here. As for the transfer itself, be smart please and read peter's confession. some common sense mate, some common sense...
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ALL i want to say here is two people agreed on a money transfer for a fee. the sender was in desperate need of the money that he was willing to pay a $40 fee. the receiver did not think it was a scam untill after he received the money. so the receiver got worried and is not fullfilling his end of the deal, by not shipping the money straight away. . this does not make the receiver a lair or a cheat, just a person that got a bit nervous , as most of us would. but since the receiver didn't keep his end of the deal, then the receiver should send all money received back. no fee. like the man said, he was really put in a spot and had to borrow to stay in his hotel. well I hope everything works out well for both parties involved.
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I didn't expect you to explain your financial situation, that doesn't matter to me at all,nor do I care how much money you gamble away. However,if you're nitting around about hiding your transaction history and then there's a list of multiple small visa and paysafecard deposits (both methodes where payment details can be cracked) then don't take it personal if one finds that fishy. Also,there is nothing wrong with chasing losses but that IS addictive acting. It's one of the number one tells about a degenerate gambler.
And no I do not make things up,I can make a deposit using paysafecard and immediatly withdraw again. I don't know if that's just because of the deposit method but for me it works. Could post a screenshot of my history but hey,why would I want to prove anything to a degen who doesn't even have social skills.
EDIT: what I find funny is that you can make multiple deposits through your visa,but you don't leave enough on it to pay your hotel? Yes,that doesn't sound degenerative at all.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: I didn't expect you to explain your financial situation, that doesn't matter to me at all,nor do I care how much money you gamble away. However,if you're nitting around about hiding your transaction history and then there's a list of multiple small visa and paysafecard deposits (both methodes where payment details can be cracked) then don't take it personal if one finds that fishy. Also,there is nothing wrong with chasing losses but that IS addictive acting. It's one of the number one tells about a degenerate gambler.
And no I do not make things up,I can make a deposit using paysafecard and immediatly withdraw again. I don't know if that's just because of the deposit method but for me it works. Could post a screenshot of my history but hey,why would I want to prove anything to a degen who doesn't even have social skills.
EDIT: what I find funny is that you can make multiple deposits through your visa,but you don't leave enough on it to pay your hotel? Yes,that doesn't sound degenerative at all.
give me a break jerk, won't waste time talking to you
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2 points to make. 1. hmidou stop calling people names, it's not helping you. 2. everyone else , stop picking on the guy, he didn't do anything wrong here, all he tried to do is cash out some money, and pay $40.00 for doing it, and as for his gambling habits, thats none of anybodys bussiness. if he gambles little or lots you thats not the point of this thread. so like I said mind your own bussiness, we all have habits, thats why we play.hmidou good luck and hope everything works out.
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Posted by hmidou:
Posted by BeMyATMplz: Why? Because I have
go to school boy before essaying on psychosocial subjects... u r entirely irrelevant..
The funny thing us that I go to school and the main stuff I study has to do with sociality,psychosociality and all that stuff.
You even lack the most easiest communication-skills, such as even understanding someone's point of view. You lack to realize that when I posted this morning, I was mainly with you about the whole topic. Instead you feel attacked.
Visiting a psychologic should fix your problems,so best advice I can give you is to invest your money in that instead of vanishing your money throigh gambling. A good psychologist will help you with your addiction as well,as well as teaching you basic manners, another thing you lack.
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Posted by crash58: 2 points to make. 1. hmidou stop calling people names, it's not helping you. 2. everyone else , stop picking on the guy, he didn't do anything wrong here, all he tried to do is cash out some money, and pay $40.00 for doing it, and as for his gambling habits, thats none of anybodys bussiness. if he gambles little or lots you thats not the point of this thread. so like I said mind your own bussiness, we all have habits, thats why we play.hmidou good luck and hope everything works out.
What piss me off Crash is that when i made my request, everyone took me for a scammer. I wanted to show my good intent and honestly advanced the money then everyone was there ready with bull s**t moral and lessons to give. The a*****e who screwed my ass got a few or no comments at all. What is amazing in the human being character is that people will never try to help u unless they have interest. then show them that interest and they would screw your ass with no mercy, like peter and co did. In the best case scenario u will get smart-to-be comments and morals from teenagers puking every blabla to tell u u were wrong. By the end of the day u end up robbed, screwed and insulted by the crowd. if u see why i am calling them names. but i offended only those who offended me, and i'm not sorry and i will never apologize about it. Thank you anyway for you message, one of the only few objective ones in here...
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by hmidou:
Posted by BeMyATMplz: Why? Because I have
go to school boy before essaying on psychosocial subjects... u r entirely irrelevant..
The funny thing us that I go to school and the main stuff I study has to do with sociality,psychosociality and all that stuff.
You even lack the most easiest communication-skills, such as even understanding someone's point of view. You lack to realize that when I posted this morning, I was mainly with you about the whole topic. Instead you feel attacked.
Visiting a psychologic should fix your problems,so best advice I can give you is to invest your money in that instead of vanishing your money throigh gambling. A good psychologist will help you with your addiction as well,as well as teaching you basic manners, another thing you lack.
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Posted by marqis:
@Peter: You lost your nerve, understandably so, because it's a lot of money. Even when the money is in your bank account, you may still not be safe, in that pokerstars could try to revert the transaction, if something turns out to be dodgy. Since you've not met the terms of the agreement as stated in the first posting, you might as well simply undo the whole transaction, by transferring it back to his pokerstars account; that way you most likely won't get into trouble if pokerstars decides something is wrong with the transaction... Just my $0.02...
Thanks Marqis! You are right. I will give him back the full amount of $215 on his PokerStars account. When I got the money in my bank account I will transfer it to his PokerStars account. That way it would be safer for my PokerStars account.
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Posted by hmidou: Well i sent the money you schrloke holmes and peter just ran away with it... thanks a lot for your smartless analysis
Haha told you it will take two people to trust each other but peter got cold feet and did not send as agreed upons because he was nervous. A bad move from him because he was suspicious. I don't agree with his actions as he should have sent when he received the money. But glad to know that you are willing to send money first, other scammers will line up for your pockets now the next time you want money.
Anyway sorry for calling you a scammer etc, but you saw it yourself too much drama involved, preferable you should stay away from doing such threads and doing money exchange for big amount.
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Posted by Forcharity: If Peter gives you the full $215 back you can contact me like I said earlier in this thread.
I will give you $175 immediatly on WU after recieving $215 on Stars.
But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Oh this post is kinda irrelevant since you probably do not need it anymore since you already paid for hotel?
thanks, i don't think the thief would give me back any money. he lies like he breathes. but thanks for the offer. i don't think i will never ever do this again the same way.
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After that conclusion I have to say I would be pretty pissed off if I would be in hmidou situation too.
It would be ok if peter told to hmidou BEFORE transfer that he plans to wait until he gets money on his bank account. But Thats just not cool to agree with some conditions, and then when you recieve money, you change your opinion... And not even tell him??
If you were suspicious from the beginning you should write it to him and discuss conditions or never agree with transfer.
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Posted by Peter7878:
Posted by marqis:
@Peter: You lost your nerve, understandably so, because it's a lot of money. Even when the money is in your bank account, you may still not be safe, in that pokerstars could try to revert the transaction, if something turns out to be dodgy. Since you've not met the terms of the agreement as stated in the first posting, you might as well simply undo the whole transaction, by transferring it back to his pokerstars account; that way you most likely won't get into trouble if pokerstars decides something is wrong with the transaction... Just my $0.02...
Thanks Marqis! You are right. I will give him back the full amount of $215 on his PokerStars account. When I got the money in my bank account I will transfer it to his PokerStars account. That way it would be safer for my PokerStars account.
u mean u have 0 money on your bank account! u bloody liar. how were u going to send me money on friday then???? ah u got suspicious, after putting 215 dollars in your pocket... i disgustingly spit on u bastard.
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Posted by Weenie: After that conclusion I have to say I would be pretty pissed off if I would be in hmidou situation too.
It would be ok if peter told to hmidou BEFORE transfer that he plans to wait until he gets money on his bank account. But Thats just not cool to agree with some conditions, and then when you recieve money, you change your opinion... And not even tell him??
If you were suspicious from the beginning you should write it to him and discuss conditions or never agree with transfer.
thanks mate for your comment. finally someone who sees things objectively. People defend him just before he wrote 1000 posts on this site. And he knows it. he told me "u can trust me i have loads of posts on BRM and i worked with full tiltl and titan poker...". he knows what he's doing. just for u to know, he spent the whole night sending me messages on skype and sent me sms on my phone first thing in the morning to make me send him the money. that's not a behaviour of someone suspicious. that's simply behaviour of a thief, who writes good posts maybe...
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Well,, you know what they say,....all's well that ends well,....
I guess Peter could have conducted business a little better,...but my initial gut feeling was that he's not a dishonest person...!
Jesse's right though,....ya just never know when the sweet can turn to sour...
...and if I were hmidou,...I guess I'd be a little jiggy TOO if I had a pimp in my hotel room pointing a gun at my head demanding payment for services rendered...
so the receiver got worried and is not fullfilling his end of the deal, by not shipping the money straight away. 
. this does not make the receiver a lair or a cheat, just a person that got a bit nervous , as most of us would. but since the receiver didn't keep his end of the deal, then the receiver should send all money received back. no fee. like the man said, he was really put in a spot and had to borrow to stay in his hotel. well I hope everything works out well for both parties involved.
