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  4-Apr-14, 21:21   #1
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pinotte 
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I Have JJ in early position blinds are 30/60 i raise to 270.00 then 3 players shoved what would you do
i will show the hand after. Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused
Sorry i forgot to say it was a BRM freeroll.

Edited by pinotte (Friday, April 04, 2014 @ 21:50 GMT)


     
  4-Apr-14, 21:33   #2
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DDPascalDD 
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what stage is the tournament, beginning, bubble, itm? And is it a freeroll or a big buy-in (different players)?

When you are playing with serious playesrs in an early stage of a tournament I would definitely fold, because they would only do that with hands which make you an underdog like: AA KK QQ AKs or maybe QKs.

     
  4-Apr-14, 21:49   #3
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bowie1984 

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Easy fold, you slightly overbet this pre-flop.
2.5x raise from early position should be enough, if not one but two or more reraise came after you - fold.
If its a rebuy tourey (where early stages is all about building a healthy stack) then call.

Later in a tourey, when theres enough info about the players at your table just use their stats (or any little detail that you saw when it came to showdowns) to made a good judgement about their range.
Its all about their range.

     
  4-Apr-14, 22:30   #4
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MFZERO 
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Free-roll - all-in
Everything else - Fold

     
  4-Apr-14, 22:42   #5
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Theapple 

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freeroll - fold
payroll (? Big Smile) - fold
cash game - fold
home game with friends - fold

Big Smile

     
  4-Apr-14, 22:50   #6
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demodawggy 

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Pretty much agree with what the guys above said,...but with one exception....

If you have a HUGE stack, bigger than anyone else in the hand, and can withstand a big hit without getting knocked out or drastically reduced in size.... I would go for it...

After all, they are jacks,...not exactly the weakest cards in the deck...!

I hate playing jacks,...usually I'll just call hoping to hit trips...! Thumbs Up

     
  4-Apr-14, 22:57   #7
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pinotte 
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I would have call one on one but 3 i thought my JJ where not good.Now see what happend.Having problem to post image one hade A Q other 10 4 suited the third 8 9 suited.

And i would have it quad J.

Edited by pinotte (Friday, April 04, 2014 @ 23:20 GMT)


     
  4-Apr-14, 22:59   #8
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Phisix 

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Min raise and see what happens after you. Few people shove after that raise and I am folding JJ. Especially since I lose with them even when I am ahead.

     
  4-Apr-14, 23:17   #9
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demodawggy 

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You asked about jacks pinotte....but the screenshot is of KK...

You been sippin' a wee bit too much of the 198 proof alcool today...? Smile Thumbs Up

     
  4-Apr-14, 23:30   #10
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pinotte 
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I would need a course to post screen capture or picture when your hold you need help. Confused Confused Confused Confused

     
  5-Apr-14, 07:16   #11
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DDPascalDD 
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What I think works great with all the pairs except from A K Q is to raise in the beginning to get players out. Than you will often get to the flop headsup and that's exactly what you want. Chances are that he didnt flop a pair and then you can raise him out.

I know it doesn't work always but it works enough to make profit with it Dollar

     
  5-Apr-14, 14:49   #12
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Heskor 
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in most cases it is a fold though if you in a tourney and the big stack and you can afford to go against 3 smaller stacks than you go all in. In cash games it is a fold in the 9 games tables. because you early position and raised but got pushed by 3 stacks despite you showing strength it mean that they have to have the premiums. Also in tourney especially rebuys or other tourney early phase you have crazy people so going all in might be good. But it will brings more variance to your bankroll.

     
  5-Apr-14, 15:03   #13
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vsemoje 
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in freeroll i call all day long.
with JJ u have more then enough equity to call vs 3 players who play a lot of hands ( players in freeroll).
If u win hand u have huge stack so i really cant see fold here Smile
u have to win 1 of 4 pots to be profitable and i am 100% sure u will win more then that vs bingo players.

     
  5-Apr-14, 15:42   #14
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Theapple 

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vse is a pro so you should definitely listen to him Tongue I still would fold JJ though, but when you think about it, many people would shove AK/Qs and not small pocket pairs, obviously not suited connectors (unless ur me and someone calls ur shove in cash game with T7s and hits 2 pairs that beat ur pocket kings, but thats for another topic Tongue) so they most likely have only 1 out left, if that many...


     
  5-Apr-14, 16:32   #15
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Shooshly 
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I would call, math wise, I'm usually on top Smile

     
  5-Apr-14, 16:37   #16
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vsemoje 
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Posted by Shooshly:
I would call, math wise, I'm usually on top Smile


eggactly my point...
u have to think about long run, if it is profitable in long run u should call.
dont be result orientated and make optimal moves.

poker is marathon not a sprint. Blink

     
  5-Apr-14, 17:48   #17
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Theapple 

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but math wise, i win 1 out of 199 hands with pocket jacks. im usually down, does that mean i should fold JJ all the time? Big Smile

but yea i got your point guys though Smile btw would you also call JJ in ring game, if 2-3 people shoved before u ? :o

     
  5-Apr-14, 18:27   #18
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Mober 
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Pretty much being a BRM freeroll says it all.
It is a clear case of an all in, even if the whole table was all in Smile
The whole tourney is very loose with very silly calls from most
of the people, especially in early stages.
So you dont even blink before hitting the all in button Smile

     
  5-Apr-14, 20:22   #19
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ddblt1970 
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Although it is the BRM freeroll, I would fold, there is very big chance, that somebody has overcards

or a bigger pair. The fold will be better than a call even against quite crazy ranges.

     
  5-Apr-14, 21:24   #20
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xdomagojx 

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In freeroll call.

Your raise is too big tho.

     
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