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  5-Apr-14, 16:32   #1
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Shooshly 
Joined: May '12
Location: Slovenia
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 35
So, this hand has been nagging at me for the past few days... actually made me relog onto here, to check what you'd say.

I've been doing well in poker, but f**k ...

I was playing a 50/1, 6 seat game, on BB, no raises. I played 72 off, flop came q72 off. I bet, another one raises, I go all in. With the info you have now, what would you do?

Hands turn, and the dude flopped a set of 7's.

Was it a bad call, or just bad luck?

     
  5-Apr-14, 16:40   #2
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 515
i need stacks to say more about this hand.
But i would 4bet/fold not 4bet shove.
U have to have in mind he can have a lot of hands that beats u and after ur 4bet he shoves only better then ur 2 pair.

just my 2 cent.

     
  5-Apr-14, 16:46   #3
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: Hungary
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 4685
72 off-suit is literally the worst hand in hold'em, you shouldnt start b.etting/raise with them under any scenario (if you flop 777 with it then you are lucky indeed, but any other occasion try to avoid them like a nuclear crash site).
Definitely not recommended to shove with it - its an ultimate sh*tty hand, even on a favorable board.

Edited by bowie1984 (Saturday, April 05, 2014 @ 16:51 GMT)


     
  5-Apr-14, 17:16   #4
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pinotte 
Joined: Jun '13
Location: Canada
Age: 73 (M)
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Very easy to make negative comment after you know the result. I would have probably do the same as you did is good or bad who knows Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused

     
  5-Apr-14, 17:21   #5
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 2659
It happens all the time and if i were in your shoes I would opt to go all in against a set on the flop, i will just hope that it is bottom set, because with two pairs , i would get the chance to go to an improved full house or if it is a suited hand I still have a chance to get the flush i needs to beat him. Anyway I would stack off daily against bottom set, so nicely played and good luck in your poker play at the tables mate!

     
  5-Apr-14, 17:21   #6
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: Hungary
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Posted by pinotte:
Very easy to make negative comment after you know the result. I would have probably do the same as you did is good or bad who knows Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused

Nobody made a negative comment, and playing out 72o even on a favorable board is usually -EV in my book.

     
  5-Apr-14, 17:41   #7
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Theapple 

Joined: Sep '13
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 1552
72 is a monster. if you flop 772, thats it Heart

     
  5-Apr-14, 20:29   #8
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
Posts: 913
So basicaly you flop the worst 2 pairs, you beat nothing (except for some weirdly slowplayed overpairs) what your opponent would go all in on the flop. There are no draws your opponent could be semibluffing with. Leading is ok, but against an reasonable opponent when he shows such agression, it is a clear fold. (btw he played it too agresively imo)

     
  5-Apr-14, 23:58   #9
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
only play 72 if you have a 72 rule Tongue

     
  6-Apr-14, 06:20   #10
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Since there were no raises it's nothing wrong if you played 72 lol

But after you saw the flop, i would have maybe call a raise but i would never go all in with since a set was in the range of the villain considering that he didn't raised preflop but now bets.

     
  6-Apr-14, 08:23   #11
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 5529
When you flop so huge in an unraised pot you must think that your hand is good nearly all the time. You could never put him on a pocket pair when the pre flop action was non existent. You played the hand perfectly acceptable in my opinion and just got unlucky

     
  6-Apr-14, 09:53   #12
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
Posted by doubletop777:
When you flop so huge in an unraised pot you must think that your hand is good nearly all the time. You could never put him on a pocket pair when the pre flop action was non existent. You played the hand perfectly acceptable in my opinion and just got unlucky


Not always true, not alot of people reraise 77 or 22. Low limits on ps they do alot, but tbh imo it has no value playing small pp over aggresive unless you're smallstacked. Thats my view in mtt

     
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